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<DIV><SPAN class=340294319-27072004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>calm
air, 65 degrees, 35% humidity!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=340294319-27072004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Rich</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Dean Pappas<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:13
PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Ed Keck
passing<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=787451119-27072004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Jim,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=787451119-27072004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Here's a question for the Philosophy exam: what are the wind conditions
in Pattern Heaven?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=787451119-27072004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>with
a silly grin,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=787451119-27072004> <FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>JOddino<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:10
PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Ed Keck
passing<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'll second that. He was one of the good
guys and did a great job on the Proline gimbals. They were so
good Kraft used them on his Signature Series, high end
transmitters. I wonder how many thousands were sold.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Too bad we didn't have some reunions at the
TOC. I had tried to talk that up once after Maurice Franklin mentioned
how they held reunions of all the guys who participated in the
Nats in England. Guess we'll have to wait for that great flying
field in the sky to see all the old guys.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim</FONT> </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mups1953@yahoo.com href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mike
mueller</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:51
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Ed Keck passing</DIV>
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<DIV> Ed was a true gentelman. I had the pleasure of flying with him
at many national events in the 70's. He was instrumental in the
development of Pro Line radios and designed and produced such items as
Pro-Line retracts and the 1st really good open gimbals used in
the Pro-Line radios. He was also very involved in the early days of
the NSRCA. We lost a good one here. Mike <BR><BR><B><I>Dean
Pappas <d.pappas@kodeos.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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All,<BR>Some sad news ...<BR>In the few minutes since my last post, I
have heard that Ed Keck passed away. Ed was a top level National Pattern
competitor for a great many years, and an unbelievably good builder,
from the Buffalo New york area. When the contest management at the TOC
first considered changing to the Scale Aerobatics format, Ed was asked
to build the proof of concept model (a Spinks Akromaster with the then
brand new Webra 90)and then helped develop some of the first
aeromodelling Turnaround schedules. He demonstrated at the TOC, one
year, and at the next, the TOC looked like what most of us would
recognize today. Ed retired from Pattern in the mid-eighties, and took
up competitive free-flight. He was a several time U.S. team member with
an excellent record at the FF Worlds.<BR>If I remember correctly, Ed
(along with Ron Chidgey) was one of the last two co! mpetitors to have
attended every single U.S. team trial up until '85.<BR><BR>No doubt he
will be missed.<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
discussion-request@nsrca.org<BR>[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]On
Behalf Of Dean Pappas<BR>Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 1:26 PM<BR>To:
discussion@nsrca.org<BR>Subject: Earl's excellent
observations<BR><BR><BR>Hello All, <BR>wifferdil ... I just call 'em
twinkle-rolls! <BR>What I would like to see is for our team members to
have two new arrows in their quiver at the next Worlds. <BR>One is a
real snap that comes out on heading or is quickly corrected. (hint: the
more deeply the airplane is stalled in the initial break, the less lift
is available for heading loss.) That's right, a half loaf is worse than
none at all. <BR>The other is a rolling circle that will not violate
either the judges' eyesight or a reasonable interpretation of the rule
book as to distance. The book does not specifically treat this maneuver
class differen! tly, so the 150 good/175 downgrade/200 severe downgrade
rule obviously still applies. At least it will when the Worlds' judges
arbitrarily decide to start enforcing it! Meanwhile, it's still in the
book. <BR>My concern is that without at least these two weapons in their
arsenal, the team will be set up to be "caught-out" as in '87. What do I
mean? In '85 everyone at the Worlds flew at 200 ~250m. At the European
Championship in '86 the same was true, and Frack, Koger and I think Ivan
were there as guest participants. Sometime between then and Avignon in
'87, a group of judges agreed that the book was not being upheld, and
started doing so. As a result, we were caught-out, without even the
right prop in the flight-box to fly at the necessary speeds. Unfair? No!
It was finally done by the book. <BR>We risk the same issue with snaps
and rolling circles. Everyone has been getting away with murder on the
snaps, at recent Worlds, and one day the hammer is bound to drop.
Besides, common se! nse says that the rollers are too stinkin' big.
<BR>Other observations: I saw one square that was square in 4 rounds of
the best 8 fliers in the land. Most ranged from 20% to 50% wide,
especially in the vertical 8s. Oh yes the square square belonged to
Quique's 1st known compulsory.<BR>Everybody (and I mean everybody)
overlapped the entry and exit lines to the hourglass with 2 of 4 in F05.
It's a shame this list doesn't accept attachments, as I'd draw up a PDF
showing the wrong shape that all the finalists "perfected". I'm curious
as to what happened here. I don't think that it's an issue of education
... Has everyone migrated to a wrong shape that the judges (both local
and National) are accepting? <BR>Ducking for cover, <BR>Dean
Pappas<BR><BR><BR>Dean Pappas<BR>Sr. Design Engineer<BR>Kodeos
Communications<BR>111 Corporate Blvd.<BR>South Plainfield, N.J.
07080<BR>(908) 222-7817 phone<BR>(908) 222-2392
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