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<DIV><SPAN class=787451119-27072004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Jim,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=787451119-27072004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Here's
a question for the Philosophy exam: what are the wind conditions in Pattern
Heaven?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=787451119-27072004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>with a
silly grin,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=787451119-27072004> <FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>JOddino<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 27, 2004 3:10 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Ed Keck
passing<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'll second that. He was one of the good
guys and did a great job on the Proline gimbals. They were so good
Kraft used them on his Signature Series, high end transmitters. I
wonder how many thousands were sold. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Too bad we didn't have some reunions at the
TOC. I had tried to talk that up once after Maurice Franklin mentioned
how they held reunions of all the guys who participated in the
Nats in England. Guess we'll have to wait for that great flying
field in the sky to see all the old guys.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mups1953@yahoo.com href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mike
mueller</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:51
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Ed Keck passing</DIV>
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<DIV> Ed was a true gentelman. I had the pleasure of flying with him at
many national events in the 70's. He was instrumental in the development of
Pro Line radios and designed and produced such items as Pro-Line retracts
and the 1st really good open gimbals used in the Pro-Line radios. He
was also very involved in the early days of the NSRCA. We lost a good one
here. Mike <BR><BR><B><I>Dean Pappas
<d.pappas@kodeos.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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All,<BR>Some sad news ...<BR>In the few minutes since my last post, I have
heard that Ed Keck passed away. Ed was a top level National Pattern
competitor for a great many years, and an unbelievably good builder, from
the Buffalo New york area. When the contest management at the TOC first
considered changing to the Scale Aerobatics format, Ed was asked to build
the proof of concept model (a Spinks Akromaster with the then brand new
Webra 90)and then helped develop some of the first aeromodelling
Turnaround schedules. He demonstrated at the TOC, one year, and at the
next, the TOC looked like what most of us would recognize today. Ed
retired from Pattern in the mid-eighties, and took up competitive
free-flight. He was a several time U.S. team member with an excellent
record at the FF Worlds.<BR>If I remember correctly, Ed (along with Ron
Chidgey) was one of the last two co! mpetitors to have attended every
single U.S. team trial up until '85.<BR><BR>No doubt he will be
missed.<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
discussion-request@nsrca.org<BR>[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]On
Behalf Of Dean Pappas<BR>Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 1:26 PM<BR>To:
discussion@nsrca.org<BR>Subject: Earl's excellent
observations<BR><BR><BR>Hello All, <BR>wifferdil ... I just call 'em
twinkle-rolls! <BR>What I would like to see is for our team members to
have two new arrows in their quiver at the next Worlds. <BR>One is a real
snap that comes out on heading or is quickly corrected. (hint: the more
deeply the airplane is stalled in the initial break, the less lift is
available for heading loss.) That's right, a half loaf is worse than none
at all. <BR>The other is a rolling circle that will not violate either the
judges' eyesight or a reasonable interpretation of the rule book as to
distance. The book does not specifically treat this maneuver class
differen! tly, so the 150 good/175 downgrade/200 severe downgrade rule
obviously still applies. At least it will when the Worlds' judges
arbitrarily decide to start enforcing it! Meanwhile, it's still in the
book. <BR>My concern is that without at least these two weapons in their
arsenal, the team will be set up to be "caught-out" as in '87. What do I
mean? In '85 everyone at the Worlds flew at 200 ~250m. At the European
Championship in '86 the same was true, and Frack, Koger and I think Ivan
were there as guest participants. Sometime between then and Avignon in
'87, a group of judges agreed that the book was not being upheld, and
started doing so. As a result, we were caught-out, without even the right
prop in the flight-box to fly at the necessary speeds. Unfair? No! It was
finally done by the book. <BR>We risk the same issue with snaps and
rolling circles. Everyone has been getting away with murder on the snaps,
at recent Worlds, and one day the hammer is bound to drop. Besides, common
se! nse says that the rollers are too stinkin' big. <BR>Other
observations: I saw one square that was square in 4 rounds of the best 8
fliers in the land. Most ranged from 20% to 50% wide, especially in the
vertical 8s. Oh yes the square square belonged to Quique's 1st known
compulsory.<BR>Everybody (and I mean everybody) overlapped the entry and
exit lines to the hourglass with 2 of 4 in F05. It's a shame this list
doesn't accept attachments, as I'd draw up a PDF showing the wrong shape
that all the finalists "perfected". I'm curious as to what happened here.
I don't think that it's an issue of education ... Has everyone migrated to
a wrong shape that the judges (both local and National) are accepting?
<BR>Ducking for cover, <BR>Dean Pappas<BR><BR><BR>Dean Pappas<BR>Sr.
Design Engineer<BR>Kodeos Communications<BR>111 Corporate Blvd.<BR>South
Plainfield, N.J. 07080<BR>(908) 222-7817 phone<BR>(908) 222-2392
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