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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'll second that. He was one of the good guys
and did a great job on the Proline gimbals. They were so good Kraft
used them on his Signature Series, high end transmitters. I wonder
how many thousands were sold. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Too bad we didn't have some reunions at the
TOC. I had tried to talk that up once after Maurice Franklin mentioned how
they held reunions of all the guys who participated in the Nats in
England. Guess we'll have to wait for that great flying field in the sky
to see all the old guys.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim</FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=mups1953@yahoo.com href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mike mueller</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:51
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Ed Keck passing</DIV>
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<DIV> Ed was a true gentelman. I had the pleasure of flying with him at
many national events in the 70's. He was instrumental in the development of
Pro Line radios and designed and produced such items as Pro-Line retracts and
the 1st really good open gimbals used in the Pro-Line radios. He was also
very involved in the early days of the NSRCA. We lost a good one here.
Mike <BR><BR><B><I>Dean Pappas <d.pappas@kodeos.com></I></B>
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All,<BR>Some sad news ...<BR>In the few minutes since my last post, I have
heard that Ed Keck passed away. Ed was a top level National Pattern
competitor for a great many years, and an unbelievably good builder, from
the Buffalo New york area. When the contest management at the TOC first
considered changing to the Scale Aerobatics format, Ed was asked to build
the proof of concept model (a Spinks Akromaster with the then brand new
Webra 90)and then helped develop some of the first aeromodelling Turnaround
schedules. He demonstrated at the TOC, one year, and at the next, the TOC
looked like what most of us would recognize today. Ed retired from Pattern
in the mid-eighties, and took up competitive free-flight. He was a several
time U.S. team member with an excellent record at the FF Worlds.<BR>If I
remember correctly, Ed (along with Ron Chidgey) was one of the last two co!
mpetitors to have attended every single U.S. team trial up until
'85.<BR><BR>No doubt he will be missed.<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From:
discussion-request@nsrca.org<BR>[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]On
Behalf Of Dean Pappas<BR>Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 1:26 PM<BR>To:
discussion@nsrca.org<BR>Subject: Earl's excellent
observations<BR><BR><BR>Hello All, <BR>wifferdil ... I just call 'em
twinkle-rolls! <BR>What I would like to see is for our team members to have
two new arrows in their quiver at the next Worlds. <BR>One is a real snap
that comes out on heading or is quickly corrected. (hint: the more deeply
the airplane is stalled in the initial break, the less lift is available for
heading loss.) That's right, a half loaf is worse than none at all. <BR>The
other is a rolling circle that will not violate either the judges' eyesight
or a reasonable interpretation of the rule book as to distance. The book
does not specifically treat this maneuver class differen! tly, so the 150
good/175 downgrade/200 severe downgrade rule obviously still applies. At
least it will when the Worlds' judges arbitrarily decide to start enforcing
it! Meanwhile, it's still in the book. <BR>My concern is that without at
least these two weapons in their arsenal, the team will be set up to be
"caught-out" as in '87. What do I mean? In '85 everyone at the Worlds flew
at 200 ~250m. At the European Championship in '86 the same was true, and
Frack, Koger and I think Ivan were there as guest participants. Sometime
between then and Avignon in '87, a group of judges agreed that the book was
not being upheld, and started doing so. As a result, we were caught-out,
without even the right prop in the flight-box to fly at the necessary
speeds. Unfair? No! It was finally done by the book. <BR>We risk the same
issue with snaps and rolling circles. Everyone has been getting away with
murder on the snaps, at recent Worlds, and one day the hammer is bound to
drop. Besides, common se! nse says that the rollers are too stinkin' big.
<BR>Other observations: I saw one square that was square in 4 rounds of the
best 8 fliers in the land. Most ranged from 20% to 50% wide, especially in
the vertical 8s. Oh yes the square square belonged to Quique's 1st known
compulsory.<BR>Everybody (and I mean everybody) overlapped the entry and
exit lines to the hourglass with 2 of 4 in F05. It's a shame this list
doesn't accept attachments, as I'd draw up a PDF showing the wrong shape
that all the finalists "perfected". I'm curious as to what happened here. I
don't think that it's an issue of education ... Has everyone migrated to a
wrong shape that the judges (both local and National) are accepting?
<BR>Ducking for cover, <BR>Dean Pappas<BR><BR><BR>Dean Pappas<BR>Sr. Design
Engineer<BR>Kodeos Communications<BR>111 Corporate Blvd.<BR>South
Plainfield, N.J. 07080<BR>(908) 222-7817 phone<BR>(908) 222-2392
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