<DIV> I knew there was something like that Troy the point being that, basically both pilot and judge have the closest perspective as possible. </DIV>
<DIV>Steve <BR><BR><B><I>Troy Newman <troy_newman@msn.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The rules expressly prohibit, distance judges that give an audible or visual cue to anyone...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sporting Code Section IV, Part 5, 5.1.8 Page 6</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"Audible and visual signals to indicate violations of the maneuvering zone are not to be employed."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=patternrules@sbcglobal.net href="mailto:patternrules@sbcglobal.net">Steven maxwell</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:54 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Distances</DIV>
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<DIV> Something to think about is the judges and the pilot has to have the same advantage, meaning that if we would use distance judges it would have to be an auditable so everyone would know, it wouldn't be fair to give the judges something and not the pilots.</DIV>
<DIV> Steve Maxwell<BR><BR><B><I>Jerry Stebbins <<A href="mailto:JAStebbins@worldnet.att.net">JAStebbins@worldnet.att.net</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Earl, seems like there are three ways to get the distance:1 Judge guessing based on experience/visibility,2 Setting someone off each of the box boundies at 180M, or 3 Measuring, in real time what it really is.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Most of the FAI judges are older,more experienced, may be able to guess accurately, but also eysight problems can creep in.Trying to see what is going on ,due to distance, really adds to the load of evaluating all the other things that are more "judgeable ".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Putting a couple folks out of the box like we do in pylon racing is fairly easy to do, logistically, and reporting wise. Would also need a "distance judge" seated with the others to provide them guidance on where the plane was.(hard to do real time). Could also be done post flight as an added downgrade column for each maneuver that is imposed across the board against the "judged" value, where the pilot violates the "distance box". </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Then there is the "hi-tech" answer of a "two distance judges" that have range finder lasers that track and report/record the distance out. Two to give added credibility/ consistency to what is "seen".ORRR-install a transponder in the planes that would automatically give you position data -related to the box "limits". I have no doubt that there is a tiny device /system that is capable of this already available somewhere.Then there would be no doubt on ALL box violations,only the "degree" of the violation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This would require software to accommodate the "end of box " distances ,versus centered distances, but that would not be too tough. Also could be more sophisticated to add triggers for "over distance" reporting only, recording of data in real time on a comparable judging form, or some form of input to the judges in real time (beeper) or post flight for added downgrades.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>All this is somewhat academic, since it behooves the pilot to "present" to the judges his best , and observable performance, to get the best scores.</FONT> <FONT face=Arial size=2>But maybe helping the judges have a better/prcise observation data base might be a step forward to him getting more exactly "what he deserves".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ain't this more fun than sitting out in the sun and baking, while trying to do the best you can to observe, evaluate, and score?</FONT></DIV>
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