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<DIV><SPAN class=830515300-30072004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>I think that
holds true at the Worlds too. The Matts started the contest WAY OUT of the
150-175M mark and by the finals they had it back in. Chip, Sean and I have also
been flying 150-170M for the last 2 Worlds and aren't going to change now, and
certainly not closer.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff>Rollers...this is one of interest. I'll take the responsibility of
"claiming" the largest circles around. But I know that isn't the best for
pattern. I do try and make them smaller but need to practice them smaller more
(will be doing). But even at the Worlds, none of us intentionally made smaller
rollers because they aren't as smooth looking as "normal" rollers. I doubt any
of the rollers were past 300M, but also doubt any were with-in 250M. With the
larger planes, circles aren't too hard to see out between those distances. This
will be discussed further I'm sure, and will be listening. I'll only be making
my circles as small as they look smooth, and no smaller.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=830515300-30072004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Jason</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>tony@radiosouthrc.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 29, 2004 7:06
AM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Proper
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Earl:<BR><BR>What a concept! Flying within
the rules gets the best score.......</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If the contestants were watching the distance out
flights before we started the finals, they could see that we were calibrating
the group to the distance that the group should start downgrading for being
too far out... Flying along a line about 160-170 meters would seem
IDEAL.... Still, as you say, most try to fly about 150.... Not sure
why...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
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<A title=ehaury@houston.rr.com href="mailto:ehaury@houston.rr.com">Earl
Haury</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 29, 2004 8:56
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Proper Distance</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Distance in pattern has been (and still is) one
of the great unknowns. (Spins & snaps are the others.) There are varied
individual definitions of what is proper, regardless of how much clarity or
definition is inserted into the rules. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've been around long enough to see the trend
move in and out several times, often the out times are well outside of the
rules. Then there are times when others decide that there are more points in
really tight! </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>Unfortunately, distance out is
hard for the both the pilot and the judge to discern with accuracy.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A pilot can practice with spotters to establish
a good feel for distance. That "feel" comes both with visible size
recognition and time from box line to box line at the "comfort" speed. In
too close and one is rushed or must slow below the "sweet spot" speed, too
far out and the opposite occurs. So the pilot has the opportunity to tune
for his / her chosen distance</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It seems that, on the judges side, there are
distance police. Anything that might be approaching the limit is downgraded
by them. Then there are others that don't downgrade if they can see (or
hear) something out there! More evidence that distance evaluation is
difficult, especially when viewing airplanes of different size, visibility,
and speed. Maybe the only was to achieve judging accuracy regarding distance
is to use a "distance judge" at 175 & 200m and let them assign distance
downgrades? Seems that the variable application (with good intentions) of
distance downgrades presently experienced dictate consideration of an
alternative method.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From the judges chair I find very few close in
flights accurate or smooth. There are usually inaccuracies brought on by
lack of time, box violations, and errors forced by wind. The good thing
about these is that they are over quickly. Out flights often have better
maneuvers as the pilot has more time, box violations are few, and wind
effect is better handled (and/or less noticeable). But they do
take forever and the distance downgrades offset the advantages. So what to
do? Take a clue from the rules "for a large, highly visible model aircraft a
line of flight approximately 175m in front of the competitor may be
appropriate". Judges take note of the "in front of the competitor"
statement, as the judges are 7 to 10m behind the competitor. This moves the
acceptable flight line 7 to 10m further away, so 185m (from the judges) is
not to be downgraded for the large models (anybody seen small models
lately). </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>Even the rolling circle distance
issues can then be handled by rolling in then. A 100 to 125m roller in would
still leave a 50+m buffer between the pilot and airplane.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So - consider that the rules are OK. Big
airplanes are best flown at the outer range of the rules. Some judges
may need help in accurately assessing distance. Maybe a distance judge would
help. There are no benefits and more risks to flying too close if to only
appease "inaccurate" distance police. Hmmm - imagine that, flying within the
rules gets the best score..</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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