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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=b.young8070@sbcglobal.net
href="mailto:b.young8070@sbcglobal.net">Brian Young</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 30, 2004 3:06 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Earl's excellent
observations</DIV>
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<DIV>What if its not?<BR><BR><B><I>Don Ramsey <<A
href="mailto:donramsey@cox-internet.com">donramsey@cox-internet.com</A>></I></B>
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landing sequence also requires that the 180 degree turn to downwind be<BR>in
the aerobatic zone.<BR><BR>Don<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From:
"John Ferrell" <JOHNFERRELL@EARTHLINK.NET><BR>To:
<DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:57 PM<BR>Subject:
Re: Earl's excellent observations<BR><BR><BR>> I can post your drawings
in my personal web space, just send me a copy.<BR>><BR>> Bill Glaze
pointed out to me that the FAI landing sequence requires that<BR>> once
you begin your descent to landing, you can never gain any altitude<BR>>
according to the book. There would have been a lot of unhappy finalists
if<BR>> this was enforced at Muncie. The only available penalty is a
zero...<BR>><BR>> John Ferrell<BR>>
http://DixieNC.US<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
From: "Dean Pappas" <D.PAPPAS@KODEOS.COM><BR>! > To:
<DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 1:25 PM<BR>>
Subject: Earl's excellent observations<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hello
All,<BR>> wifferdil ... I just call 'em twinkle-rolls!<BR>> What I
would like to see is for our team members to have two new arrows in<BR>>
their quiver at the next Worlds.<BR>> One is a real snap that comes out
on heading or is quickly corrected.<BR>(hint:<BR>> the more deeply the
airplane is stalled in the initial break, the less<BR>lift<BR>> is
available for heading loss.) That's right, a half loaf is worse
than<BR>none<BR>> at all.<BR>> The other is a rolling circle that will
not violate either the judges'<BR>> eyesight or a reasonable
interpretation of the rule book as to distance.<BR>The<BR>> book does not
specifically treat this maneuver class differently, so the<BR>150<BR>>
good/175 downgrade/200 severe downgrade rule obviously still applies.
At<BR>> least it will when the Worlds' judges arbitrarily decide to
start<BR>enforcing<BR>> it! Meanwhile, it's still in the book.<BR>> My
concern is that without at least these two weapons in their
arsenal,<BR>the<BR>> team will be set up to be "caught-out" as in '87.
What do I mean? In '85<BR>> everyone at the Worlds flew at 200 ~250m. At
the European Championship in<BR>> '86 the same was true, and Frack, Koger
and I think Ivan were there as<BR>guest<BR>> participants. Sometime
between then and Avignon in '87, a group of judges<BR>> agreed that the
book was not being upheld, and started doing so. As a<BR>> result, we
were caught-out, without even the right prop in the flight-box<BR>to<BR>>
fly at the necessary speeds. Unfair? No! It was finally done by the
book.<BR>> We risk the same issue with snaps and rolling circles.
Everyone has been<BR>> getting away with murder on the snaps, at recent
Worlds, and one day the<BR>> hammer is bound to drop. Besides, common
sense says that the r! ollers are<BR>too<BR>> stinkin' big.<BR>> Other
observations: I saw one square that was square in 4 rounds of
the<BR>best<BR>> 8 fliers in the land. Most ranged from 20% to 50% wide,
especially in the<BR>> vertical 8s. Oh yes the square square belonged to
Quique's 1st known<BR>> compulsory.<BR>> Everybody (and I mean
everybody) overlapped the entry and exit lines to<BR>the<BR>> hourglass
with 2 of 4 in F05. It's a shame this list doesn't accept<BR>>
attachments, as I'd draw up a PDF showing the wrong shape that all
the<BR>> finalists "perfected". I'm curious as to what happened here. I
don't think<BR>> that it's an issue of education ... Has everyone
migrated to a wrong shape<BR>> that the judges (both local and National)
are accepting?<BR>> Ducking for cover,<BR>> Dean
Pappas<BR>><BR>><BR>> Dean Pappas<BR>> Sr. Design
Engineer<BR>> Kodeos Communications<BR>> 111 Corporate Blvd.<BR>>
South Plainfield, N.J. 07080<BR>> (! 908) 222-7817 phone<BR>> (908)
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