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<DIV>Jimmy, box entry/exit calls are true enough in AMA flying but not required in F3A. In fact the way the present Landing description is written, the pilot should not exit the aerobatic zone for any maneuver including the "180 degree turn" to downwind leg. If he does, a downgrade is assessed commensurate to the degree of the infraction. But for Landing, any downgrade is automatically 10 points.</DIV>
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<DIV>The only time exiting the box is implied is when the turn to final approach is made: "when approximately over the downwind marker, the turn to final is commenced......". It doesn't actually state that box exit is allowed. It is a very poorly written description of a relatively simple maneuver, and that is my point essentially. Needs a re-write and approval. BTW, there was one pilot who actually made the turn to Final approach inside the box and stradled the box's right edge until touchdown. So that's possible also.</DIV>
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<DIV>Honestly, I feel we have probably spent too much time talking a KF 1 maneuver. </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT face=Arial>Matt<BR>I am confused. When you finish the sequences you call out of box, which to me means you go out of the aerobatic zone being 60-60 either side. Now explain how I stay in the box to make this landing turn without going out of the aerobatic zone.If you turn away from the zone edge then you have to re-enter the box because you were out of box.I understand the turn should be away(out) from the box edge. All this is confusion to me..DUH.<BR><BR>Jim Ivey<BR>> <BR>> From: Rcmaster199@aol.com<BR>> Date: 2004/07/31 Sat AM 01:29:13 EDT<BR>> To: discussion@nsrca.org<BR>> Subject: Re: Earl's excellent observations<BR>> <BR>> I saw three such landing examples at the F3A Finals, when the pilots turned <BR>> into the runway (rather than away from it) to go downwind. Two exited the <BR>> aerobatic zone to enter the downwind leg, which BTW required re-entry into the <BR>> zone. I assumed that the term "Aerobatic Zone" was defined as the show stage <BR>> between the +/- 60 degree lines. I tend to look at the rule this way: once the F3A <BR>> pilot committed to enter the box, he should not exit it until his turn to <BR>> final. <BR>> <BR>> Interestingly, the third pilot who made a turn toward the runway to enter his <BR>> downwind leg, did not exit the zone. The turn direction is at pilot's <BR>> discretion. Pilot is allowed to make the turn to downwind leg in either direction; <BR>> it's just easier to do it away. BUT, turning away he should not make it so wide <BR>> that he violates the distance out rule. <BR>> <BR>> These two landing sequences also had the issue of the downwind turn being <BR>> greater than 180 degrees. The verbiage of the rule is somewhat unfortunate <BR>> because 180 degrees is a specified value. I believe the writer of the rule intended <BR>> for the turn to be a simple directional reversal in the horizontal plane, but <BR>> it isn't up to me to make that intrepretation. However, as a judgement call, I <BR>> allowed it<BR>> <BR>> Note that the verbiage in regard to the upwind turn to go to final approach, <BR>> is less clear and I allowed the guys to exit the box to turn to final without <BR>> assessing a downgrade. Also note that any downgrade observed in the landing <BR>> sequence must be a 10 point downgrade (Don uses that terminology and I like it). <BR>> <BR>> I was told that I may have nitpicked a bit here, but, in my opinion, there is <BR>> no room for "grey" in the landing (and take-off) sequence. It's either black <BR>> or white and not both<BR>> <BR>> Matt K<BR>> Zero</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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