<HTML><HEAD>
<META charset=US-ASCII http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=US-ASCII">
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=GENERATOR></HEAD>
<BODY style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff">
<DIV>
<DIV>I saw three such landing examples at the F3A Finals, when the pilots turned into the runway (rather than away from it) to go downwind. Two exited the aerobatic zone to enter the downwind leg, which BTW required re-entry into the zone. I assumed that the term "Aerobatic Zone" was defined as the show stage between the +/- 60 degree lines. I tend to look at the rule this way: once the F3A pilot committed to enter the box, he should not exit it until his turn to final. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Interestingly, the third pilot who made a turn toward the runway to enter his downwind leg, did not exit the zone. The turn direction is at pilot's discretion. Pilot is allowed to make the turn to downwind leg in either direction; it's just easier to do it away. BUT, turning away he should not make it so wide that he violates the distance out rule. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>These two landing sequences also had the issue of the downwind turn being greater than 180 degrees. The verbiage of the rule is somewhat unfortunate because 180 degrees is a specified value. I believe the writer of the rule intended for the turn to be a simple directional reversal in the horizontal plane, but it isn't up to me to make that intrepretation. However, as a judgement call, I allowed it</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Note that the verbiage in regard to the upwind turn to go to final approach, is less clear and I allowed the guys to exit the box to turn to final without assessing a downgrade. Also note that any downgrade observed in the landing sequence must be a 10 point downgrade (Don uses that terminology and I like it). </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I was told that I may have nitpicked a bit here, but, in my opinion, there is no room for "grey" in the landing (and take-off) sequence. It's either black or white and not both</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Matt K</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid">
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Zero</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mailto:b.young8070@sbcglobal.net href="mailto:b.young8070@sbcglobal.net">Brian Young</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mailto:discussion@nsrca.org href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 30, 2004 3:06 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Earl's excellent observations</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>What if its not?<BR><BR><B><I>Don Ramsey <<A title=mailto:donramsey@cox-internet.com href="mailto:donramsey@cox-internet.com">donramsey@cox-internet.com</A>></I></B> wrote: </FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><FONT face=Arial>The landing sequence also requires that the 180 degree turn to downwind be<BR>in the aerobatic zone.<BR><BR>Don<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "John Ferrell" <JOHNFERRELL@EARTHLINK.NET><BR>To: <DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:57 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Earl's excellent observations<BR><BR><BR>> I can post your drawings in my personal web space, just send me a copy.<BR>><BR>> Bill Glaze pointed out to me that the FAI landing sequence requires that<BR>> once you begin your descent to landing, you can never gain any altitude<BR>> according to the book. There would have been a lot of unhappy finalists if<BR>> this was enforced at Muncie. The only available penalty is a zero...<BR>><BR>> John Ferrell<BR>> http://DixieNC.US<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Dean Pappas" <D.PAPPAS@KODEOS.COM><BR>! > To: <DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 1:25 PM<BR>> Subject: Earl's excellent observations<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hello All,<BR>> wifferdil ... I just call 'em twinkle-rolls!<BR>> What I would like to see is for our team members to have two new arrows in<BR>> their quiver at the next Worlds.<BR>> One is a real snap that comes out on heading or is quickly corrected.<BR>(hint:<BR>> the more deeply the airplane is stalled in the initial break, the less<BR>lift<BR>> is available for heading loss.) </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>