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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif">That may be the best suggestion yet
Earl. I don't like the change for landings next year in AMA classes. Maybe this
is the solution we should all adopt. Those that make these rules without
listening to the majority should have their butts and heads examined, Not
necessarily in that order.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT
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del
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NSRCA - 473</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ehaury@houston.rr.com href="mailto:ehaury@houston.rr.com">Earl
Haury</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 31, 2004 7:55
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Earl's excellent
observations</DIV>
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<DIV>The rules state that the turn to final should begin "approximately over
the downwind marker". The airplane will then be out of the box until
near touchdown. </DIV>
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<DIV>So a pilot flying at 160m must turn in (or make a tight 15m turn out) 180
degrees to stay within the specified distance. He/she must then let the
airplane somehow meander in or out so that it can begin the turn to
final near the 150m box pole. Oh - add the drift in an incoming wind for
the spin in P-05 - fly the exiting roll after the required line between
the roll and the 1/4 loop - put a line after the roll, and turn on final
before the box line!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Curious as to how this description is written - what were they thinking?
For a process originally intended to prevent hot-dogging it sure has gotten
specific. Then with a 0 or 10 choice no less. This thing is so dumb that all
pilots should agree to ignore it and take the zero (no effect on
competition outcome) until this nonsense is fixed. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Earl</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Rcmaster199@aol.com
href="mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com">Rcmaster199@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 31, 2004 12:29
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Earl's excellent
observations</DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>I saw three such landing examples at the F3A Finals, when the
pilots turned into the runway (rather than away from it) to go
downwind. Two exited the aerobatic zone to enter the downwind leg,
which BTW required re-entry into the zone. I assumed that the term
"Aerobatic Zone" was defined as the show stage between the +/- 60
degree lines. I tend to look at the rule this way: once the F3A
pilot committed to enter the box, he should not exit it until his turn to
final. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Interestingly, the third pilot who made a turn toward the
runway to enter his downwind leg, did not exit the zone. The turn
direction is at pilot's discretion. Pilot is allowed to make the turn to
downwind leg in either direction; it's just easier to do it away. BUT,
turning away he should not make it so wide that he violates the distance out
rule. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>These two landing sequences also had the issue of the downwind
turn being greater than 180 degrees. The verbiage of the rule is somewhat
unfortunate because 180 degrees is a specified value. I believe the writer
of the rule intended for the turn to be a simple directional reversal in the
horizontal plane, but it isn't up to me to make that intrepretation.
However, as a judgement call, I allowed it</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Note that the verbiage in regard to the upwind turn to go to final
approach, is less clear and I allowed the guys to exit the box to turn
to final without assessing a downgrade. Also note that any downgrade
observed in the landing sequence must be a 10 point downgrade (Don uses that
terminology and I like it). </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I was told that I may have nitpicked a bit here, but, in my opinion,
there is no room for "grey" in the landing (and take-off) sequence. It's
either black or white and not both</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Matt K</DIV>
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