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<DIV>The rules state that the turn to final should begin "approximately over the
downwind marker". The airplane will then be out of the box until near
touchdown. </DIV>
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<DIV>So a pilot flying at 160m must turn in (or make a tight 15m turn out) 180
degrees to stay within the specified distance. He/she must then let the
airplane somehow meander in or out so that it can begin the turn to
final near the 150m box pole. Oh - add the drift in an incoming wind for
the spin in P-05 - fly the exiting roll after the required line between the
roll and the 1/4 loop - put a line after the roll, and turn on final before the
box line!</DIV>
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<DIV>Curious as to how this description is written - what were they thinking?
For a process originally intended to prevent hot-dogging it sure has gotten
specific. Then with a 0 or 10 choice no less. This thing is so dumb that all
pilots should agree to ignore it and take the zero (no effect on
competition outcome) until this nonsense is fixed. </DIV>
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<DIV>Earl</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Rcmaster199@aol.com
href="mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com">Rcmaster199@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 31, 2004 12:29
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Earl's excellent
observations</DIV>
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<DIV>I saw three such landing examples at the F3A Finals, when the pilots
turned into the runway (rather than away from it) to go downwind. Two
exited the aerobatic zone to enter the downwind leg, which BTW required
re-entry into the zone. I assumed that the term "Aerobatic Zone" was defined
as the show stage between the +/- 60 degree lines. I tend to look
at the rule this way: once the F3A pilot committed to enter the box, he
should not exit it until his turn to final. </DIV>
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<DIV>Interestingly, the third pilot who made a turn toward the
runway to enter his downwind leg, did not exit the zone. The turn
direction is at pilot's discretion. Pilot is allowed to make the turn to
downwind leg in either direction; it's just easier to do it away. BUT,
turning away he should not make it so wide that he violates the distance out
rule. </DIV>
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<DIV>These two landing sequences also had the issue of the downwind turn
being greater than 180 degrees. The verbiage of the rule is somewhat
unfortunate because 180 degrees is a specified value. I believe the writer of
the rule intended for the turn to be a simple directional reversal in the
horizontal plane, but it isn't up to me to make that intrepretation. However,
as a judgement call, I allowed it</DIV>
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<DIV>Note that the verbiage in regard to the upwind turn to go to final
approach, is less clear and I allowed the guys to exit the box to turn to
final without assessing a downgrade. Also note that any downgrade observed in
the landing sequence must be a 10 point downgrade (Don uses that terminology
and I like it). </DIV>
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<DIV>I was told that I may have nitpicked a bit here, but, in my opinion,
there is no room for "grey" in the landing (and take-off) sequence. It's
either black or white and not both</DIV>
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<DIV>Matt K</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Zero</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mailto:b.young8070@sbcglobal.net
href="mailto:b.young8070@sbcglobal.net">Brian Young</A> </DIV>
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title=mailto:discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 30, 2004 3:06
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Earl's excellent
observations</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>What if its not?<BR><BR><B><I>Don Ramsey <<A
title=mailto:donramsey@cox-internet.com
href="mailto:donramsey@cox-internet.com">donramsey@cox-internet.com</A>></I></B>
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face=Arial>The landing sequence also requires that the 180 degree turn
to downwind be<BR>in the aerobatic zone.<BR><BR>Don<BR><BR>-----
Original Message ----- <BR>From: "John Ferrell"
<JOHNFERRELL@EARTHLINK.NET><BR>To: <DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>Sent:
Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:57 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Earl's excellent
observations<BR><BR><BR>> I can post your drawings in my personal web
space, just send me a copy.<BR>><BR>> Bill Glaze pointed out to me
that the FAI landing sequence requires that<BR>> once you begin your
descent to landing, you can never gain any altitude<BR>> according to
the book. There would have been a lot of unhappy finalists if<BR>>
this was enforced at Muncie. The only available penalty is a
zero...<BR>><BR>> John Ferrell<BR>>
http://DixieNC.US<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
From: "Dean Pappas" <D.PAPPAS@KODEOS.COM><BR>! > To:
<DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 1:25
PM<BR>> Subject: Earl's excellent
observations<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hello All,<BR>> wifferdil ... I
just call 'em twinkle-rolls!<BR>> What I would like to see is for our
team members to have two new arrows in<BR>> their quiver at the next
Worlds.<BR>> One is a real snap that comes out on heading or is
quickly corrected.<BR>(hint:<BR>> the more deeply the airplane is
stalled in the initial break, the less<BR>lift<BR>> is available for
heading loss.) </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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