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<DIV>Dave,</DIV>
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<DIV>No pardon needed.</DIV>
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<DIV>Obviously enough, once the 1st radius is completed, it must be duplicated 3
times or downgrades will occur. However, the idea is this - 3 of 4 radii
(any 3) on a square loop match - the 4th (any 1) is larger or smaller. It
doesn't matter whether the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th radius is the one that does not
match - the downgrade is for 1 radius being mismatched.</DIV>
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<DIV>A square loop at center could have 4 radii that are all different and still
be a square - judge the overall shape of the maneuver - ie -</DIV>
<DIV>- up and downline are equally spaced left/right of the center pole and
maintain vertical track, </DIV>
<DIV>- top and bottom lines maintain track with same entry/exit altitude,</DIV>
<DIV>- distance between top/bottom lines is same as up/down lines.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And while I suspect you know, in addition to the entry and exit radii
needing to be equal on humpties, they are only 2 of the 3 radii in the manuever
- the entry and exit radii must be equal to the top (or bottom) half loop
radius. Same goes for things like the goldfish (entry, exit, and 3/4 loop)
and golfball (entry, exit, and 3/4 loop) in the F3A schedules - and those are
probably 2 of the manuevers where I've seen the greatest variance in
radii.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Dave Lockhart</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=d.wartel@comcast.net href="mailto:d.wartel@comcast.net">David
Wartel</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 03, 2004 8:32
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Webra and Judging
questions</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Narrow"><FONT size=3>Please pardon my ignorance, but
I'm fairly new to pattern and judging.</FONT> <FONT size=3>I'm having a hard
time understanding this. Nothing was said about this at the judging seminar I
attended in June, (that I remember) except that radii should be
equal. Also, if maneuvers are judged on symmetry, how can, for instance, a
square loop or cuban eight be symmetrical if the radii are not all
equal?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Narrow" size=3>Matt, I hope you can clarify your answer
as it seems contradictory to me. On one hand the first radius does not set the
standard for the others, but the entry and exit radii should be the same for
Humpty's and top hats etc??</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Narrow" size=3>Dave</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=Rcmaster199@aol.com
href="mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com">Rcmaster199@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 03, 2004 7:14
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Webra and Judging
questions</DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>That's correct. The first radius does not set the standard for the
others. If all are done same as the first, no downgrade due to radius
differencess. If 2 out 4 are different, 2 points or more depending on
severity.</DIV>
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<DIV>Same rationale for other maneuvers like Humpty's, top Hats, or
Cuban 8's, or even stalls for that matter: entry and exit radii should
be same and if not, 2 points for that infraction alone or more depending on
severity</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>MattK</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Narrow">The rc pattern judges' guide in the AMA
rulebook lists downgrades for unequal radii for all the maneuvers
with looping segments including the square loop. It says nothing about an
exception for the first segment.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=mailto:sjcrozier@comcast.net
href="mailto:sjcrozier@comcast.net">John Crozier</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 03, 2004
10:02 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Webra and Judging
questions</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. Is there a "downside" to running
Powermaster 20-20 in the 145 Webra?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. Do I recall correctly that the first
radius of a looping maneuver does NOT set the standard for the other
radii in the maneuver?</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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