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<DIV>This is my understanding as well.</DIV>
<DIV>Randy</DIV>
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<A title=d.wartel@comcast.net href="mailto:d.wartel@comcast.net">David
Wartel</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 03, 2004 9:51
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Webra and Judging
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Narrow">Thanks, Dave. It makes sense to me
now.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Narrow">Dave</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=DaveL322@comcast.net href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">David
Lockhart</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 03, 2004 9:07
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Webra and Judging
questions</DIV>
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<DIV>Dave,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>No pardon needed.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Obviously enough, once the 1st radius is completed, it must be
duplicated 3 times or downgrades will occur. However, the idea is this
- 3 of 4 radii (any 3) on a square loop match - the 4th (any 1) is larger or
smaller. It doesn't matter whether the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th radius is
the one that does not match - the downgrade is for 1 radius being
mismatched.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A square loop at center could have 4 radii that are all different and
still be a square - judge the overall shape of the maneuver - ie -</DIV>
<DIV>- up and downline are equally spaced left/right of the center pole
and maintain vertical track, </DIV>
<DIV>- top and bottom lines maintain track with same entry/exit
altitude,</DIV>
<DIV>- distance between top/bottom lines is same as up/down lines.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And while I suspect you know, in addition to the entry and exit radii
needing to be equal on humpties, they are only 2 of the 3 radii in the
manuever - the entry and exit radii must be equal to the top (or bottom)
half loop radius. Same goes for things like the goldfish (entry, exit,
and 3/4 loop) and golfball (entry, exit, and 3/4 loop) in the F3A schedules
- and those are probably 2 of the manuevers where I've seen the greatest
variance in radii.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Dave Lockhart</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A></DIV>
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<A title=d.wartel@comcast.net href="mailto:d.wartel@comcast.net">David
Wartel</A> </DIV>
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href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 03, 2004 8:32
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Webra and Judging
questions</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Narrow"><FONT size=3>Please pardon my ignorance,
but I'm fairly new to pattern and judging.</FONT> <FONT size=3>I'm having
a hard time understanding this. Nothing was said about this at the judging
seminar I attended in June, (that I remember) except that radii
should be equal. Also, if maneuvers are judged on symmetry, how can, for
instance, a square loop or cuban eight be symmetrical if the radii are not
all equal?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Narrow" size=3>Matt, I hope you can clarify your
answer as it seems contradictory to me. On one hand the first radius does
not set the standard for the others, but the entry and exit radii should
be the same for Humpty's and top hats etc??</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Narrow" size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Narrow" size=3>Dave</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=Rcmaster199@aol.com
href="mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com">Rcmaster199@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 03, 2004 7:14
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Webra and Judging
questions</DIV>
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<DIV>That's correct. The first radius does not set the standard for the
others. If all are done same as the first, no downgrade due to radius
differencess. If 2 out 4 are different, 2 points or more depending on
severity.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Same rationale for other maneuvers like Humpty's, top Hats, or
Cuban 8's, or even stalls for that matter: entry and exit radii
should be same and if not, 2 points for that infraction alone or more
depending on severity</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>MattK</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Narrow">The rc pattern judges' guide in the AMA
rulebook lists downgrades for unequal radii for all the maneuvers
with looping segments including the square loop. It says nothing about
an exception for the first segment.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=mailto:sjcrozier@comcast.net
href="mailto:sjcrozier@comcast.net">John Crozier</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 03, 2004
10:02 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Webra and Judging
questions</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. Is there a "downside" to running
Powermaster 20-20 in the 145 Webra?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. Do I recall correctly that the first
radius of a looping maneuver does NOT set the standard for the other
radii in the maneuver?</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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