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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm just on a little rant--one of my buddies got
downgraded by someone whom should've known better because he "started his roll
WAY too early......." It was much easier to do with the other
airplane--wide-bodies be good for this one! Narrow with retracts be
hard(er).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Richard</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=Jim_Woodward@beaerospace.com
href="mailto:Jim_Woodward@beaerospace.com">Jim_Woodward@beaerospace.com</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:44
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Omaha and the Vert. 8</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>funny - but you could make
your own detailed call sheet that has some reminders on it for how to do
certain maneuvers.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Jim
W.<BR><BR></FONT><BR><BR><BR>
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<TD><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>"Richard Strickland" <<A
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<BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>Sent by: <A
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<P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>08/10/2004 11:29 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=1>Please respond to discussion</FONT> <BR></P>
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Subject: Re: Omaha and
the Vert. 8</FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>More practice and maybe tape a copy of these e-mails on my back at the
local contests? Along with the Powerpoint depiction?</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Richard</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>----- Original
Message ----- </FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><B>From:</B>
</FONT><A href="mailto:Jim_Woodward@beaerospace.com"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=blue
size=3><U>Jim_Woodward@beaerospace.com</U></FONT></A><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><B>To:</B> </FONT><A href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=blue
size=3><U>discussion@nsrca.org</U></FONT></A><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday,
August 10, 2004 10:21 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><B>Subject:</B> Re: Omaha and the Vert. 8</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><BR>I think one of the secrets to this maneuver is
carrying some power through the 1/2 roll to counteract the roll/rudder induced
drag, and making the top loop smaller than you think so that you can match its
size on the bottom.</FONT><FONT face="Time s New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR>Jim W.<BR></FONT><FONT
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<P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>08/10/2004 11:16 AM</FONT><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT face=sans-serif
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</FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><BR> To:
discussion@nsrca.org, "NSRCA"
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</FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><BR> cc:
"Richard Strickland"
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Subject: Re: Omaha and the Vert.
8</FONT></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><BR><BR><BR>Hi Richard: </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>I saw Quique in the 2001 Nats and that
is my "10" reference. You will need to ask him. Yes, it looks
natural and he was able to preserve the figure 8 shape while doing the half
roll. He s tarted very early. I think possible the 45 degrees you
said is correct. </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Yes, I am planing to go to Omaha.
See you there. </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Vicente Bortone </FONT>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>-------------- Original message
-------------- </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Any FAI guys (gals) going to
Omaha this weekend? The Vert. 8 with 'integrated' half roll--Local judges vary
on when the roll starts and stops. If I start it up at the 45 degree point as
shown in a judges guide; I'm having a hard time making it look natur al. If I
come down just before the tangent, roll with the wings vert. at the tangent
and let it fall slightly as the roll is completed, it looks better. I'll keep
working on it if we are truly supposed to start way up there--or is that just
a REPRESENTAT ION to denote it's gotta start SOMEWHERE b4 the tangent? To do
it the way it's depicted--you are in effect catching the bottom of a knife
edge loop and the nose would actually be pointed slightly positive to the
horizon. I haven't seen anyone really do i t well around here with my limited
exposure this year.</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><BR>Thanks,</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Richard</FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
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