<DIV> From what I seen at the Nat's one one does this as it is supposed to be done even though I'm only an advanced pilot and even poor at that I have been doing the fai patterns for a 3 years now have tried this manuvuer many times even to the point of doing whole flights just trying this one manuvuer from what I seen all the contestants was doing a simple roll at the center and not incorporating into loops seems that minor downgrade for the roll and keep the geometry of loops right was the lesser of the two.</DIV>
<DIV> Steve Maxwell<BR><BR><B><I>Richard Strickland <richard.s@allied-callaway.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any FAI guys (gals) going to Omaha this weekend? The Vert. 8 with 'integrated' half roll--Local judges vary on when the roll starts and stops. If I start it up at the 45 degree point as shown in a judges guide; I'm having a hard time making it look natural. If I come down just before the tangent, roll with the wings vert. at the tangent and let it fall slightly as the roll is completed, it looks better. I'll keep working on it if we are truly supposed to start way up there--or is that just a REPRESENTATION to denote it's gotta start SOMEWHERE b4 the tangent? To do it the way it's depicted--you are in effect catching the bottom of a knife edge loop and the nose would actually be pointed slightly positive to the horizon. I haven't seen anyone really do it well around here with my limited exposure this year.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Richard</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>