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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have seen Todd Blose do this well and the roll
starts in the arc and continues through the apex at knife edge and into the
down arc of the next loop. Much like the loop with a full roll at the top
only you have to change directions in the middle of the rolling segment.
Really a neat looking maneuver when done this way. Takes mucho
rudder skills to do properly.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayne G.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=patternrules@sbcglobal.net
href="mailto:patternrules@sbcglobal.net">Steven maxwell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:55
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Omaha and the Vert. 8</DIV>
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<DIV> From what I seen at the Nat's one one does this as it is supposed
to be done even though I'm only an advanced pilot and even poor at that I have
been doing the fai patterns for a 3 years now have tried this manuvuer many
times even to the point of doing whole flights just trying this one manuvuer
from what I seen all the contestants was doing a simple roll at the center and
not incorporating into loops seems that minor downgrade for the roll and keep
the geometry of loops right was the lesser of the two.</DIV>
<DIV> Steve Maxwell<BR><BR><B><I>Richard Strickland
<richard.s@allied-callaway.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any FAI guys (gals) going to Omaha this
weekend? The Vert. 8 with 'integrated' half roll--Local judges vary on
when the roll starts and stops. If I start it up at the 45 degree
point as shown in a judges guide; I'm having a hard time making it look
natural. If I come down just before the tangent, roll with the wings
vert. at the tangent and let it fall slightly as the roll is completed, it
looks better. I'll keep working on it if we are truly supposed to
start way up there--or is that just a REPRESENTATION to denote it's
gotta start SOMEWHERE b4 the tangent? To do it the way it's
depicted--you are in effect catching the bottom of a knife edge loop and the
nose would actually be pointed slightly positive to the horizon. I
haven't seen anyone really do it well around here with my limited exposure
this year.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
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Richard</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>