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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Lots of really good points here –
something to think about as I get ready for my annual stint as a judge for a
local event this coming weekend. (“Those who can, enter – Those who
can’t judge!”)</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anybody have a resource for how to get the
Judging video Steve referred to? Being a once-or-twice a year judge, it
would really help to keep me up brushed up on how to look at the maneuvers.
Always hated having to judge that first contestant or two of the event, because
I knew I wasn’t in the groove of what to look at, yet.
Unfortunately, attending a NATS or similar seminar may not ever be in my future…</span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Steven maxwell<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Sunday, August
22, 2004</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Some Diagrams</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> Refering to the Judging video, answers these
questions without a doubt that true geometery is to be flown at all times, and
the video does say that the turnaround 45 degree line will appear to be steeper
than a center manuvuer, I watch this at least twice at the begining of the
pattern season, and twice a week or 2 before the Nat's. Now throw in the human
element and it has been proven at the Nat's that many view many things
differently, scores have been seen 8,9, and 0, now it has been said many times
that the spin and snap are the hardest to judge and do correctly,but these
points can also vary on lines and radius, so if at local contest you have one
judge that like a certian look as opposed to the other judges, I was recently
at a contest and upon completion of my flight one judge told me the "was a
beutiful 4 point roll" and the other judge agreed, so I looked at my
scores both 8's. I sujested at one time that if we had only one judge that
done a perfect job, then we wouldn't need any more than the one, all this would
probably be impossiable, as will be to get perfect judging or flying. All of
you have made good points here and this is the best of of what this list is
about to bad all members aren't on it.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> Steve Maxwell <br>
<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Ed Deaver
<divesplat@yahoo.com></span></i></b> wrote:</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hey Keith, I have thought about this quite a
bit. Here are some conclusions I've had;</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>1) Having drawn out 45 degrees and examined it,
most judges will downgrade for a true 45 degrees on a center manuever.
Most judges(pilots) want to see about 50-55 degrees to award a high
score(IMO) Without geometric tools and a perfect horizon, it is difficult
to see and for all judges to have the same opinion on "what is 45
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>2) For center manuevers you will receive a
higher downgrade for being too "flat" as opposed to
too "steep"(again IMO) Try to error on the steeper side
for any center manuever 45's. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>3) On end manuevers, I have seen people pulling
75 degree angles in the defense it is at the end of the box. To quote a
psychiatrist somewhere, "Perception is Reality" Personnally
believe it is fopah to pull a line really steep in the belief the judges will
extrapolate a lesser angle, just because it is at the end of the box.
Judges score on what they SEE, not what they calculate. If the 45 degree
angle at the end of the box, appears 45 degrees I think you will get the higher
score. If the angle looks 60degrees that is a solid 1 pt deduction.
However, see 2 above.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>4) Lastly, a pilot/judges opinion of what is
round/45 degrees/stalled etc, etc revolves around what they are exposed to and
how they are exposed to it also. So a perfect 45 degree line may be
downgraded or the 60 degree line rewarded simply because that is what someone
see routinely at their field of practice. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Just some thoughts. Am curious as to others
opinions also.</span></font></p>
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