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<DIV><FONT size=2>You can get the video from me for $5, plus
postage.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Maureen Dunphy<BR>NSRCA Secretary<BR>Phone 662-462-5480<BR>Fax
662-462-5465<BR><A href="http://www.nsrca.org">www.nsrca.org</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=patternrules@sbcglobal.net
href="mailto:patternrules@sbcglobal.net">Steven maxwell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 22, 2004 11:09
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Some Diagrams & Judging
video</DIV>
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<DIV> I think you can get it from Maureen she monitors the list and will
probably chime in.</DIV>
<DIV> Steve Maxwell<BR><BR><B><I>Ted Sander <<A
href="mailto:tedsander@comcast.net">tedsander@comcast.net</A>></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Lots of really good
points here – something to think about as I get ready for my annual stint as
a judge for a local event this coming weekend. (“Those who can, enter –
Those who can’t judge!”)</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anybody have a
resource for how to get the Judging video Steve referred to? Being a
once-or-twice a year judge, it would really help to keep me up brushed up on
how to look at the maneuvers. Always hated having to judge that first
contestant or two of the event, because I knew I wasn’t in the groove of
what to look at, yet. Unfortunately, attending a NATS or similar
seminar may not ever be in my future…</SPAN></FONT></P>
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Sander</SPAN></FONT></P>
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discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Steven maxwell<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Sunday, August 22,
2004</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">8:14
AM</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Some
Diagrams</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> Refering to the Judging video,
answers these questions without a doubt that true geometery is to be flown
at all times, and the video does say that the turnaround 45 degree line will
appear to be steeper than a center manuvuer, I watch this at least twice at
the begining of the pattern season, and twice a week or 2 before the Nat's.
Now throw in the human element and it has been proven at the Nat's that many
view many things differently, scores have been seen 8,9, and 0, now it has
been said many times that the spin and snap are the hardest to judge and do
correctly,but these points can also vary on lines and radius, so if at local
contest you have one judge that like a certian look as opposed to the other
judges, I was recently at a contest and upon completion of my flight one
judge told me the "was a beutiful 4 point roll" and the other judge
agreed, so I looked at my scores both 8's. I sujested at one time that
if we had only one judge that done a perfect job, then we wouldn't need any
more than the one, all this would probably be impossiable, as will be to get
perfect judging or flying. All of you have made good points here and this is
the best of of what this list is about to bad all members aren't on
it.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> Steve
Maxwell <BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Ed Deaver
<divesplat@yahoo.com></SPAN></I></B> wrote:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hey Keith, I have thought about this
quite a bit. Here are some conclusions I've
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">1) Having drawn out 45 degrees
and examined it, most judges will downgrade for a true 45 degrees on a
center manuever. Most judges(pilots) want to see about 50-55 degrees
to award a high score(IMO) Without geometric tools and a perfect
horizon, it is difficult to see and for all judges to have the same
opinion on "what is 45 degrees"</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">2) For center manuevers you
will receive a higher downgrade for being too "flat" as opposed to
too "steep"(again IMO) Try to error on the steeper side for any
center manuever 45's. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">3) On end manuevers, I have
seen people pulling 75 degree angles in the defense it is at the end of
the box. To quote a psychiatrist somewhere, "Perception is
Reality" Personnally believe it is fopah to pull a line really steep
in the belief the judges will extrapolate a lesser angle, just because it
is at the end of the box. Judges score on what they SEE, not what
they calculate. If the 45 degree angle at the end of the box,
appears 45 degrees I think you will get the higher score. If the
angle looks 60degrees that is a solid 1 pt deduction. However, see 2
above.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">4) Lastly, a pilot/judges
opinion of what is round/45 degrees/stalled etc, etc revolves around what
they are exposed to and how they are exposed to it also. So a
perfect 45 degree line may be downgraded or the 60 degree line rewarded
simply because that is what someone see routinely at their field of
practice. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Just some thoughts. Am curious
as to others opinions also.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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