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<DIV><SPAN class=174302614-10112004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
John,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=174302614-10112004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>No
correction here, though I would like to add some. You're quite right about the
snaps, but they aren't the thing that has driven elevator size for me, over the
years. Spin entries have. I still haven't found the stab/elevator airfoil that
will give reasonable sensitivity at high speed, and still enable me to reliably
drive the plane into a deep stall, without just an airplane-length of climb at
the very end.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=174302614-10112004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I've
gone back and forth with Nat on this one, several times over the years, and
still no great breakthrough. Probably the best I had was the old MAYA II, and it
had a thick stab and very large elevator.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=174302614-10112004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=174302614-10112004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Still
looking for a magic bullet.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </P>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>John
Ferrell<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:02 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Partner and Lazulite
elevators<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am curious why you would want to increase
the elevator size. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have observed several instances where
decreasing the stab size has resulted in a perceived improvement in snapping.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think that increasing the elevator size
amplifies the effects of control system shortcomings.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It also decreases the drag vector magnitude that
occurs on operation of the surface. I suspect that to be small enough to be
insignificant.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am ready to be corrected...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>John Ferrell <BR>My Competition is not my enemy! <BR><A
href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Tom.Koenig@actewagl.com.au
href="mailto:Tom.Koenig@actewagl.com.au">Koenig, Tom</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">Discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:44
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Partner and Lazulite
elevators</DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Hi again all,</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Owners of the Pl Partner and Lazulites, I
would like your thoughts. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Before I finish the stabs and elevators, I am
somewhat concerned at the very small elevators found on these models. I've
seen one Partner fly and the owner suggested to DEFINATELY enlarge the
elevators. I tend to agree...but who am I to argue with Quique and the
Matt's design philosophy.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">If the consensus is to make them bigger, then
I will, as sofar I'm not comfortable with their current size.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Thanks for any ideas.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">best regards</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Tom</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">PS: If any of you have been cruising on any
Aussie sites recently....the guy who just had his behind kicked at our State
champs and W/C team trials...was NOT me ( he just happens to look like me,
have the same name and job, seems to be married to the same woman....OK.....
OK it was me, I admit it !)</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Shall we just say I had a shocker of a weekend
?</FONT> </P>
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