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<DIV>The Fig. 9 occurs at the point in the sequence where you SHOULD be toward
your outermost flight line horizontal distance anyway. It can be a bit
larger because of that, but the REAL problem with this manuever is centering the
SLOW ROLL maneuver AFTER it in the box that's left. Don't forget the exit
of the Slow Roll into the Humpty has to have a line, too!!! And THAT
Humpty is a "conventional" type with an in-line loop on top, rather than move
in/out type. That means IT takes a pretty big chunk of real estate,
also.</DIV>
<DIV> If you keep the entire Fig. 9 in the box, and keep it
pretty tight, then there will be space for the slow roll after.</DIV>
<DIV> This is one of those sequences where horizontal flight
distance OUT must be managed VERY critically, and no mistakes can be made.
Back on Manuever #7, you better choose to go OUT with the Humpty, or by the time
the Figure 9 happens it will be in your face, rushed, pinched, and presentation
will blow up.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Bob Pastorello<BR>NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<BR><A
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A><BR><A
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<A title=patterndude@comcast.net href="mailto:patterndude@comcast.net">Lance
Van Nostrand</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:07
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Masters 2005 questions</DIV>
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<DIV>Several people have said that the 1/4 loop radius must match the 3/4 loop
radius in the fig 9. If this is so, then a large 3/4 loop leads to a
disaster because the matching 1/4 loop will finish too close to center to do a
3+ second slow roll. It these radii must match then as a judge, I'll bet
that if I see a large 3/4 loop, theres a 2 point downgrade about to happen
next.</DIV>
<DIV>--Lance</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 15, 2004 2:59
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Masters 2005
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size=3>Jim, your assessment is correct. There are many ways to execute the
Fig 9, and they all depend on the size of he 3/4 loop. A tiny loop will make
for a little longer vert line, and a very large loop, for a little shorter
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size=3>Keep in mind the exiting 1/4 loop needs the same diameter as the 3/4
loop, which means it has to start sooner rather than later, and that will
shorten the vert line, as long as the exiting altitude is unchanged.
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size=3> Matt<BR>Ref: fig 9 I take this to mean the vert. line starts at
the tangent to the 3/4 loop on the downline. This means part of the vert.
line is above the entry line and must be considered part of the
straight downline for centering.<BR><BR>jim Ivey</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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