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<DIV> It might serve some purpose to try the Half Clover maneuver in
P05 which immediately goes into the 45 degree upline 4 Point Roll. The second
half of the Half Clover (1/4 clover?) is essentially the Fig 9 we are
dicsussing. That sequence is straight forward and so is the Fig9, Slow
Roll, Humpty sequence in Masters</DIV>
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<DIV>Matt</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 11/18/2004 6:55:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rcaerobob@cox.net writes:</DIV>
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<DIV>The Fig. 9 occurs at the point in the sequence where you SHOULD be toward
your outermost flight line horizontal distance anyway. It can be a bit
larger because of that, but the REAL problem with this manuever is centering
the SLOW ROLL maneuver AFTER it in the box that's left. Don't forget the
exit of the Slow Roll into the Humpty has to have a line, too!!! And
THAT Humpty is a "conventional" type with an in-line loop on top, rather than
move in/out type. That means IT takes a pretty big chunk of real estate,
also.</DIV>
<DIV> If you keep the entire Fig. 9 in the box, and keep it
pretty tight, then there will be space for the slow roll after.</DIV>
<DIV> This is one of those sequences where horizontal flight
distance OUT must be managed VERY critically, and no mistakes can be
made. Back on Manuever #7, you better choose to go OUT with the Humpty,
or by the time the Figure 9 happens it will be in your face, rushed, pinched,
and presentation will blow up.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Bob Pastorello<BR>NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<BR><A
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href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A><BR><A
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<A title=mailto:patterndude@comcast.net
href="mailto:patterndude@comcast.net">Lance Van Nostrand</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 17, 2004
11:07 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Masters 2005
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<DIV>Several people have said that the 1/4 loop radius must match the 3/4
loop radius in the fig 9. If this is so, then a large 3/4 loop leads
to a disaster because the matching 1/4 loop will finish too close to center
to do a 3+ second slow roll. It these radii must match then as a
judge, I'll bet that if I see a large 3/4 loop, theres a 2 point downgrade
about to happen next.</DIV>
<DIV>--Lance</DIV>
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<A title=mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 15, 2004 2:59
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Masters 2005
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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000
size=3>Jim, your assessment is correct. There are many ways to execute the
Fig 9, and they all depend on the size of he 3/4 loop. A tiny loop will
make for a little longer vert line, and a very large loop, for a little
shorter vert line. </FONT></DIV>
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size=3>Keep in mind the exiting 1/4 loop needs the same diameter as the
3/4 loop, which means it has to start sooner rather than later, and that
will shorten the vert line, as long as the exiting altitude is unchanged.
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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000
size=3> Matt<BR>Ref: fig 9 I take this to mean the vert. line starts
at the tangent to the 3/4 loop on the downline. This means part of the
vert. line is above the entry line and must be considered part of
the straight downline for centering.<BR><BR>jim
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