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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Depends on whether it's in Texas, or the United
States.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Bob Pastorello<BR>NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<BR><A
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A><BR><A
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<A title=wgalligan@goodsonacura.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 26, 2004 1:45
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Elev. Pull pull
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How much offset could an offset have if an offset
had no Ackerman?</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=rcaerobob@cox.net href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">Bob
Pastorello</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 26, 2004 12:28
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Elev. Pull pull
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>MOST Excellent, Keith. Rational,
understandable, and mathematically-proven. Thanks for sharing
that.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW - my offset horns DO have "Ackerman", but
one side of ONE elev. half had 1/16" LESS Ackerman, and it was costing
almost a degree difference at full deflection.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Bob Pastorello<BR>NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<BR><A
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A><BR><A
href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</A></DIV>
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<A title=tkeithb@comcast.net href="mailto:tkeithb@comcast.net">Keith
Black</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 26, 2004 11:53
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Elev. Pull pull
Question</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In addition to the height of the control horn
we must also considered where the control horn "pivot point" is in
relation to the hinge line, not where the control horn is physically
located on the control surface. In other words, your control horn has a
hole where the clevis connects to it. This clevis rotates in the control
horn as it's pulled back and forth. If this rotation point on one elevator
half is at a different point from the other elevator half then the throws
will not bee the same.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Here is an EXCELLENT article on what is know
as the Ackerman effect and how this applies to our pull-pull setups. For
me, understanding this was instrumental in getting a real grasp on
pull-pull systems.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://members.cox.net/bdfelice/Ackerman/ackerman.htm">http://members.cox.net/bdfelice/Ackerman/ackerman.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keith Black</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=geobet@gis.net href="mailto:geobet@gis.net">George Kennie</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 26, 2004
11:21 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Elev. Pull pull
Question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Bob, <BR>That sounds backward to me. If the bolt on the
further traveling half is further forward, then it should be going
over-center sooner generating less linear travel than the half on the
other side. My bet is on the inboard hinge slot not centered (low) on
that side. On mine I had some off center hinge slots. <BR>Georgie
<P>Daniel J. Hamlett wrote:
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<FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Yes</FONT></FONT>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rcaerobob@cox.net href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">Bob
Pastorello</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 26, 2004
9:38 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Elev. Pull pull
Question</DIV> <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Yep. Same
distance OUT from surface. However, just checking things -
again - the elevator that is travelling too far also has the control
takeoff about 1/16" further FORWARD relative to the hinge line than
the other half.</FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=-1> Could this do it?</FONT></FONT>
<P>Bob Pastorello <BR>NSRCA 199 AMA 46373 <BR><A
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A> <BR><A
href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</A>
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<A title=tph1@bellsouth.net href="mailto:tph1@bellsouth.net">Tom
Hinton</A></DIV>
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title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 26,
2004 8:07 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Elev. Pull pull
Question</DIV> <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Are both the
horns on the bottom the same distance from the surface, same
amount of threads?</FONT></FONT>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rcaerobob@cox.net href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">Bob
Pastorello</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">NSRCA</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 26,
2004 8:58 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Elev. Pull pull
Question</DIV> <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>May seem
obvious, but I could use some help here....setting up my
Excelleron, centers are okay, cable tensions are pretty close,
centering is good. Up elevator is fine, on Down elevator,
ONE elevator moves farther, but they track together except at
the endpoint, as close as I can tell.</FONT></FONT> <FONT
face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Anyone have suggestions on how I'd fine
tune this out...??</FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=-1>Hope everyone had a great T-day!!</FONT></FONT>
<P><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Bob Pastorello</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>NSRCA 199 AMA
46373</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1><A
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A></FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1><A
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