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<DIV><SPAN class=875491004-29112004>I have been using this mix in practice the
last couple weeks ( practicing Intermediate and trying to learn the Advanced
sequence ) and it has helped me tremendously. It does not take much.
I P-mixed in 3 degrees of down elevator at high idle, and the downlines on stall
turns, humptys, etc, are arrow straight with no input. </SPAN><SPAN
class=875491004-29112004>I notice it a little on the spin entry but can't say as
though it helps me there. I am usually trying so hard to stall
the plane, I am using more "down" to push the nose up ( plane is inverted ). I
do also notice it slightly at landing, but its extremely easy to compensate
for.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=875491004-29112004>Aircraft is a Typhoon 2 + 2, with OS 1.60,
fyi.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>Chris Larson<BR>L & D Sales<BR>209-274-2176 Office /
Fax<BR>209-304-0865 Cellular </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf
Of </B>Rcmaster199@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 28, 2004 8:01
PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: 5 Steps to
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<DIV>If I read both your commentaries correctly, the elevator mix
when at idle, to help eliminate the up pitch of the down line, should
also help the inverted spin entries. Particularly on a nose heavy plane (or
one with considerable pos incidence), it seems to me that down elv mix at
idle should help both conditions. What did i miss?</DIV>
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<DIV>MattK</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 11/28/2004 9:34:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dszczur@maranatha.net writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Lance, thanks very much for the comments. Bottom
line is do what ever it takes to make the plane fly the way you want it
to. Mechanical, or electronic, or both. The vertical stab helps
to stabilize in neg spin entry, and because I fly nose heavy, I don't feel
the extra down mix in a spin entry. Now, realize I don't have
very much mix in... so that is less of an overall factor.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Don</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mailto:patterndude@comcast.net
href="mailto:patterndude@comcast.net">Lance Van Nostrand</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 26, 2004 1:14
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: 5 Steps to Trimming a
Pattern Plane</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Don,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Clearly this works for you, but I am still
unconvinced. Wouldn't more pos incidence in the wing, to assist spin
entries, only work for upright spins? FAI has inverted spins, and
this should work in the opposite direction. Same goes for the
Throttle/Elv mix. When you reduce throttle to enter the spin, the elv mix
that was put in for downlines might affect your spin approach. And
when the spin entry is inverted you'll have to really get on the down elv
to maintain level approach. I guess it can work, but it seems like
its introducing factors that make the pilot begin to fly against the
mix.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mailto:dszczur@maranatha.net
href="mailto:dszczur@maranatha.net">Don Szczur</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 22, 2004
10:29 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: 5 Steps to Trimming a
Pattern Plane</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Lance, incidence may take care of pitch or roll,
but not always. In fact, I found that changing wing
(panel) incidence has the most dramatic impact on slow flight, such
as entries to a spin. CG and wing balance also play some part
in this mix. The electronic mixing takes care of what incidence
changes, (wing warping, etc.) will not address in a down line, or,
if you choose to just electronically dial out the tendency.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Cheers!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT
face=Arial>Don</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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