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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lance, thanks very much for the comments.
Bottom line is do what ever it takes to make the plane fly the way you want it
to. Mechanical, or electronic, or both. The vertical stab helps to
stabilize in neg spin entry, and because I fly nose heavy, I don't feel the
extra down mix in a spin entry. Now, realize I don't have very much
mix in... so that is less of an overall factor.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Don</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=patterndude@comcast.net href="mailto:patterndude@comcast.net">Lance
Van Nostrand</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 26, 2004 1:14
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: 5 Steps to Trimming a
Pattern Plane</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Don,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Clearly this works for you, but I am still
unconvinced. Wouldn't more pos incidence in the wing, to assist spin
entries, only work for upright spins? FAI has inverted spins, and this
should work in the opposite direction. Same goes for the Throttle/Elv
mix. When you reduce throttle to enter the spin, the elv mix that was put in
for downlines might affect your spin approach. And when the spin entry
is inverted you'll have to really get on the down elv to maintain level
approach. I guess it can work, but it seems like its introducing factors
that make the pilot begin to fly against the mix.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=dszczur@maranatha.net href="mailto:dszczur@maranatha.net">Don
Szczur</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 22, 2004 10:29
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: 5 Steps to Trimming a
Pattern Plane</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lance, incidence may take care of pitch or
roll, but not always. In fact, I found that changing wing
(panel) incidence has the most dramatic impact on slow flight, such as
entries to a spin. CG and wing balance also play some part in
this mix. The electronic mixing takes care of what incidence changes,
(wing warping, etc.) will not address in a down line, or, if you choose
to just electronically dial out the tendency.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Don</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=patterndude@comcast.net
href="mailto:patterndude@comcast.net">Lance Van Nostrand</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 21, 2004 10:48
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: 5 Steps to Trimming a
Pattern Plane</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Don,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't understand the throttle to
elevator/aileron mix issue. I've not seen this as a way of
correcting things. I would assume the T/E mix is to reduce tuck to
the belly or canopy, but I'm used to using wing incidence for this.
If the plane rolls on downlines then we are usually dealing with a twist
in the wings/stab or both. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>confused..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=dszczur@maranatha.net href="mailto:dszczur@maranatha.net">Don
Szczur</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 21, 2004
8:53 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> 5 Steps to Trimming a
Pattern Plane</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I came accross this link and
thought it may be helpful for those who are setting up a pattern plane
in the near future.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://www.horizonhobby.com/Explore/Article.aspx?ArticleID=1194">http://www.horizonhobby.com/Explore/Article.aspx?ArticleID=1194</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
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