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<DIV>Matt:<BR><BR>The other issue with this is that I established a system back
in my first term to use the judging evaluation system that Ron Chidgey had put
forth in FAI international events. Prior to this, there was only the " it
felt right" way of picking a judge for a world champs. Earl Haury was
selected as a judge in the 1999 world champs using this system. However,
we knew it needed improvement.<BR><BR>Back in 1993, Ron Van Putte was
"magically" put on this list, and was informed by then-AMA President Don Lowe
that he had been chosen for this duty. Ron even asked Don about how he got
on the "list", but I don't think he ever really got an answer. >From that
point on, I was interested in how this was done. Eric asked me to be the
FAI liaison for him while he was in office, and a system to pick a judge was
discussed. It took several years for a team to come together that had
experience with statistics and spread sheets to make it happen. Reports
were made to the NSRCA board over the last 4 years as to the progress.
Finally, a working system was put together, and brought to the NSRCA board this
past summer and approved. </DIV>
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<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=Rcmaster199@aol.com
href="mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com">Rcmaster199@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 13, 2004 1:52
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: World Judge selection
process </DIV>
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<DIV>Eric, your notes below surprise me. I am disappointed you feel this way
in regard to the system we came up with. Have you truly analysed the data base
and the program we designed?? </DIV>
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<DIV>MattK</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 12/13/2004 2:41:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, <A
href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@earthlink.net">derekkoopowitz@earthlink.net</A>
writes:</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>From:
<A
href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">discussion-request@nsrca.org</A>
<BR>> [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<BR>> On<BR>> Behalf Of
Grow Pattern<BR>> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 7:31 AM<BR>> To:
discussion@nsrca.org<BR>> Subject: World Judge selection
process<BR>><BR>> Charlie,<BR>>
I had and have absolutely NOTHING to do with this judging
<BR>> evaluation system. You were probably misinformed so please allow me
to <BR>> correct/update the information.<BR>><BR>> FYI - I
nominated Bob Noll to the AMA when Dave Brown asked the NSRCA <BR>> for
its recommendation. It felt like a good choice. I selected him and <BR>>
two others after asking for nominations from the NSRCA District-VP's
<BR>> and the rest of the NSRCA board. He was chosen for his work as a
<BR>> judge, the work done running many judging schools, great services
to <BR>> the NSRCA and especially the AMA after running three USA
Nationals etc.<BR>><BR>> At the time I was overruled by Dave Brown who
chose Mike Dumpy, (for <BR>> similar reasons). Subsequently, Dave chose
Bob after Mike had <BR>> represented the USA on two occasions. (Very well
I might add).<BR>><BR>> The ranking system was put together by RVP and
associates to prove to <BR>> Dave who he should submit to the FAI for WC
judge consideration. I am <BR>> guessing that lobbying took place to
remove Bob Noll and insert the <BR>> top TBL rated USA
judge.<BR>><BR>> I have several issues with the TBL type of judges
ranking.<BR>><BR>> 1. The biggest is that it is too easy for a judge
to do well by <BR>> scoring in<BR><BR>> a<BR>> popular way or an
"average" way. The guy who knows enough about <BR>> judging to give the
correct low score will often be on the "out".<BR>><BR>> 2. Also they
included judging performances from Master's Nat's. There <BR>> is big
difference scoring FAI and Masters. Not least of which is the <BR>> 1/2
point vs.<BR>> the whole point system.<BR>><BR>> 3. They used the
performance in 8 contests (As far as I know). Scoring <BR>> rules and
maneuver standards change. To get eight Nationals/team <BR>> trials you
have to go back a few years. I have always believed that <BR>> only the
last few years of FAI judging should be used because they are <BR>> the
most relevant to performance.<BR>><BR>> 4. It does not take into
account the intangibles such as, <BR>> Statesmanship, ambassadorial
qualities and contribution that will be <BR>> needed in a WC
environment.<BR>><BR>> One further point. I also think that Don Ramsey
is a great guy and <BR>> should not get any flack for being selected. He
was the guy I went to <BR>> and asked to form the current rules/judging
committee. He has helped <BR>> clarify many rules for us and dealt with
many tough issues in a calm <BR>> and professional
manner.<BR>><BR>> I have always been an opponent of the ranking
system. The problem is <BR>> that when you speak out against something
that people are "married" <BR>> to, especially when they are the creators
of the system, you will, and <BR>> I have, draw a lot of abuse. I fully
expect my note to be cropped, <BR>> chopped, torn apart, dissected and
corrected. I might even get another <BR>> "Bull in a china shop" comment
reward. Of course I might just look <BR>> like that to some, especially
when I am in their face and won't back <BR>> down when I see something
going on that I believe is wrong!<BR>><BR>> I credit you for speaking
out Charlie, but I just had to set the <BR>> record straight when you
used my name.<BR>><BR>> Regards,<BR>><BR>> Eric
Henderson.<BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>
From: "Rock, Charles" <crock@kclife.com><BR>> To:
<discussion@nsrca.org><BR>> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 9:10
AM<BR>> Subject: RE: [SUSPECT-HEADER] - Re: Adjustable stab weight -
Character <BR>> set not allowed (n/a)<BR>><BR>><BR>>> Well
here is another example of the results of the fox designing the <BR>>>
chicken coop! Don Ramsey knew exactly what he had to do to become the
<BR>>> top ranked judge as did Ron V., Derek K., and Eric H., need I
tell <BR>>> you who all were involved making the judges ranking
system?? THIS <BR>>> PISSES ME OFF...The "Haves" get all the beanies,
and we pay their way <BR>>> too, most likely..Another NSRCA moment!!
Charlie</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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