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<DIV><SPAN class=461274514-22122004>Hi Bob,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=461274514-22122004>This is consistent with what I have found. I
have also taken a tonn of throw out oif the plane, as compared to the
recommendations in the manual.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=461274514-22122004>Regards,</SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf
Of </B>Bob Pastorello<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 22, 2004 6:59
AM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Excelleron with
OS 91FX in Intermediate ?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>In the few flights I put on this airplane with the new, muffled, 91
2-stroke, it was rapidly apparent that these guys had done their
homework. I was also nose heavy (the CG needs to be 7.25 aft of leading
edge), so mine was a little 'heavy' on the stick in pitch. However, it
is a very solid airframe, rolls very cleanly, straight, didn't need
differential. Vertical line tracking was exceptional; it would
drop dead straight, no pitching. Knife edge has NO roll couple, and only
VERY slight belly pitch.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The wing lets it decellerate rapidly, and you can just drag it up to your
spin entry, nose high, nearly stopped then = BANG, nose drops without a wing
wiggle, and it will do a VERY nice rudder/elev only spin. Exits on a
dime! Snaps are the same; I didn't find a need to lead any control
inputs for the up or down 45 snaps. ANd the Reverse Avalanche is
wonderful. Airplane stops at the snap, throttle up, and finish the
loop.... very cool.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It's a keeper, and certainly ended up being way more than a "knockaround"
practice plane for me.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Bob Pastorello<BR>NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<BR><A
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A><BR><A
href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=phoran@vvm.com href="mailto:phoran@vvm.com">Paul Horan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 21, 2004 9:49
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Excelleron with OS 91FX in
Intermediate ?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Bob,</DIV>
<DIV> For me it was need. Originally I wanted a
"knockaround" pattern plane maybe a 3D twist, the response I got to that was
a very polite "are you nuts!". After rethinking my goals and listening
to the responsed I received I decided on the Excelleron.</DIV>
<DIV>Reasonalble price, good quality and I hope good performance.</DIV>
<DIV> I am looking forwards to hearing about your
experience with this plane. Any caveats or advice on a 120 2 stroke,
cost is </DIV>
<DIV>a concern but so is performance.</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Paul</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rcaerobob@cox.net href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">Bob
Pastorello</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 21, 2004 9:23
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Excelleron with OS 91FX
in Intermediate ?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The 1.20 class two-strokes in this airplane will probably provide the
best power at the lightest overall weight. The ST is overkill, and
added about 8-9 oz overall more than should have been there, because it
starts out at 31 oz, then add the exhaust system. Most of the
1.20's, I think, are coming in at 31-33 oz WITH exhaust systems, and that
reduces wing loading about 2 oz/sq.ft.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I'm ready to test hop, awaiting the header, which is in
process. It is surprising to see this one design catch on so
rapidly. Was it price? Performance?</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Bob Pastorello<BR>NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<BR><A
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A><BR><A
href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=randy10926@comcast.net
href="mailto:randy10926@comcast.net">Randy</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 21, 2004
9:10 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Excelleron with OS
91FX in Intermediate ?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I order a Tiger Shark 1.20 for my excelleron90. Should be
about right.</DIV>
<DIV>Randy</DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=phoran@vvm.com href="mailto:phoran@vvm.com">Paul Horan</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 21, 2004
6:37 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Excelleron with OS
91FX in Intermediate ?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Bruce,</DIV>
<DIV> Thanks, that's what I am concerned
about. The OS 91 FX most likely will require a pipe to do the
job and the Excelleron</DIV>
<DIV>is not set up for a pipe. I may have to resort to a larger
2 stroke engine. Bob Pastorello is using a Super Tiger
2300.</DIV>
<DIV>Not sure I wish to go that big !</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Paul</DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Pattrnflyr@aol.com
href="mailto:Pattrnflyr@aol.com">Pattrnflyr@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 21,
2004 5:22 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Excelleron with OS
91FX in Intermediate ?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I have a scratch built Typhoon 909 that weighs around 8 to 8.5
pounds. The "Littlephoon" has 909 square inches of wing, about
a 70 inch wing span. I fly intermediate at 5500 feet
MSL. The YS91 did not have enough to fly the Int pattern,
because of the two maneuvers you mentioned. I put a YS 110 in
the Littlephoon, and now I have plenty of power swinging a
15X8. I have no experience with the OS, but I would think the
YS would be a little lacking. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=0 face=Arial FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">See
ya,<BR><BR>Bruce
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