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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree that manuvers should be able to be judged
mostly objectively. Geometry and precision are the most heavily weighted
criteria. Snaps are a fine manuver to have in our sequences. We
just need judging criteria that meet our requirements of being fairly easy for
most pilots to judge. In my last post I suggested that the snap criteria be
defined to allow exactly this. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=bob@toprudder.com href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:58
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Snap Rolls.....are they
legitimate/ RE: displacement during snap rolls discussion</DIV>
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<DIV>Bill, and Bob P,</DIV>
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<DIV>Excellent points. I think part of the rules committee responsibility in
determining new maneuver sequences should be coming up with something that is
appropriately challenging for the pilots AND is easy to judge. IMHO, putting
snapping maneuvers in turnarounds at the end of the box is NOT something that
should be done. Snaps are difficult enough to judge, put them RIGHT IN FRONT
for everyones benefit, or leave them out altogether.</DIV>
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<DIV>I'm thinking that if someone performs a snapping maneuver at the end of
the box, I should not give them a zero just because I am not able to see a
"clean break" on entry, due to a very poor perspective which is beyond the
control of either myself or the pilot. I may zero it as being an
obvious "non-snap" from other signs that I CAN see, but not for what it is
impossible for me to see. JMHO.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bob Richards.<BR><BR><B><I>Bill Glaze
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remember being told that a good pattern maneuver is "hard to do, easy to
judge." While I, too, enjoy doing snaps, this discussion has made me
wonder if there is any place for them in pattern. And, I am beginning
to backpedal (because I admittedly like them) and am wondering if there is
any place for them at all except in, possibly, FAI. And even there,
the only reason for them would be the mandate by the international
body. Inasmuch as I have no control over this issue, I'm just
musing.<BR><BR>Bill Glaze<BR><BR>Bob Pastorello wrote:
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<DIV>That is an excellent point, Chris. And your modesty to not add
"Intermediate National Champion" to your credentials is noted.</DIV>
<DIV> The issue of a virtually-uncontrollable maneuver
EXCEPT for entry and exit, does bring a valid question about it's place in
our game. I think Ed Miller mentioned (sorry if wrong) that
longer-duration maneuvers with more easily-visible segments have their OWN
level of difficulty.</DIV>
<DIV> In '99, when I was working on the Rules Committee,
and we were designing new sequences one of the suggestions in Masters was
a Center maneuver, a square loop with 2/4 on U/D, 1/2 on horizontal
legs. We were TRASHED for even suggesting such a thing!!!</DIV>
<DIV> The reason I mention that is to consider
difficulty and pilot challenge, wouldn't most of us agree that the square
loop I describe would be more easily judged, and more challenging for the
majority of pilots than the downline SINGLE snap we have in '05 ???</DIV>
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<DIV>Since we're in a rules cycle year, maybe this is a good time to
rethink the "required elements" of every class, and look more for "what do
guys WANT to have in the sequence?"</DIV>
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<DIV>Great thread starter, Chris.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Bob Pastorello<BR>NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<BR><A
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A><BR><A
href="http://www.rcaerobats.net/">www.rcaerobats.net</A></DIV>
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