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<DIV>Interesting regarding snap speed Ron. I believe a Pattern model snap can be
slowed down and can be easier to judge that way. I slowed my 1 1/2 snaps of the
last masters Ava down so I know it can be done. At the same time, I was rewarded
by some and zeroed by another at the Nats. Why? not violent enough (verbatim one
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<DIV>Making up rules as we go isn't a good thing. Be that as it may, Judging as
a craft has come a long way and is better than it ever has been. But still some
way to go. I am not concerned though; I think we are headed in the right
direction.</DIV>
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<DIV>I also don't want these maneuver types removed from AMA Pattern schedules.
And let's definitely put them in more visible locations. How about a center
Snapping Square or Fig M or N? Or Humpty? The 45 dowline snap in the old masters
was a good one too. How about a center Two Snaps in a 45 upline? But I am
reluctant to reduce Kfactor tho. </DIV>
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<DIV>MattK</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 12/30/2004 12:00:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ronlock@comcast.net writes:</DIV>
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<DIV>Agreed.</DIV>
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<DIV>When our pattern judging hats are on, it's not our task to figure
out if the model design is such that it doesn't show a break, or
isn't set up to show a break, or isn't flown with technique to show a
break. </DIV>
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<DIV>We judge maneuver elements as best we can without making allowances
for model limitations that might be perceived or claimed.</DIV>
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<DIV>Judging snaps is tough, in part because it happens so
fast. I recall seeing a dozen snaps by full scale AT-6 Texans -
the snaps were slow and most pattern judges would be able to judge them
accurately and consistently.</DIV>
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<DIV>Given the speed of a model snap, getting accurate and consistent
judging remains a big challenge. Lets continue looking for improvements
in judge training, lets design schedules with fewer snaps, lets put
the snaps in visible locations.</DIV>
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<DIV>I don't want to see snaps removed from AMA, if they stay in F3A.
Masters class- is, can, and should be, a step on the way to
F3A for those moving on.</DIV>
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<DIV>A thought for discussion- might we put a lower K-Factor on maneuvers with
snaps in AMA schedules? They remain for pilot challenge and
judge training, but the impact of imperfect judging is reduced.</DIV>
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<DIV>Later, Ron Lockhart</DIV>
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<DIV>Wait a minute, we are not talking about flying Pattern with Decathlons
and Cubs. Pattern models are supposed to be "thoroughbred"
designs. We have very few limits as to what we actually design in. On
the other hand, Scale models don't have that "free to design as
you please" luxury. </DIV>
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<DIV>Pattern planes have no excuses. I see no reason the desired features
can't be designed in to facilitate desired outcome.</DIV>
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<DIV>MattK</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 12/29/2004 5:10:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
d.pappas@kodeos.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=928250622-29122004>Thanks Doug.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928250622-29122004>And yet we know that the full scale
guys' snaps happen in geologic time, compared to us!</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928250622-29122004>Imagine the plight of diving
judges.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=928250622-29122004>Maybe the solution is to "wimp-out"
the snap description, and allow anything that looks like a train wreck ...
NAAAAAH!</SPAN></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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