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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I do not necessarily think they should be
setup to prepare someone for FAI, however I do think they need to progress and
become more difficult every rule change cycle, more Advanced and Masters than Sportsman
and Intermediate.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I do think the
schedules are more complicated, but I remember reading a few years ago in the
K-Factor, I believe it was Frank Granelli, forgive me if I am wrong about how
today’s Advanced pilot fly many of the same maneuvers that were frown on
a world stage in the late 70’s and early 80’s.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I do believe Sportsman should remain very
basic that any capable sport airplane should be able to fly the maneuvers and
fly them well, and the same for intermediate.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>I think the only maneuvers that sport planes have a problem with in
those classes are the vertical maneuvers from a pure lack of power.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>There are not many 40 sized designs with a
good .46 on the front that can do point rolls on an upline, I’m sure
there are exceptions, but for the most part your average .40 sized Extra with a
.46 is going to run out of energy near the top of any extended vertical climb.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think most of the people in the upper
classes enjoy the challenge.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>And even
the new maneuvers are not really that new, they are just a modification of
something that has been done in the past.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>The new Avalanche in masters is a perfect example. It is not that much
more difficult than a standard avalanche, yes it takes some more practice and
changes in how you perform the snap, but the fact that it happens at the bottom
of the loop instead of the top makes a big difference.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>A few years ago at the nats, the first
year in masters with the 1 ½ snap down, most of the pilots had major problems
with this maneuver, but 3 years later after flying it and practicing it more
and understanding how to perform the maneuvers most of the people I saw flying
Masters this year at the NATS, no matter where they finished were reasonably
comfortable with this maneuver and most of the ones that did have problems were
flying it correctly, but looked more like the plane wasn’t setup
correctly, using too much rudder, or aileron or whatever, but the pilots were
comfortable with the maneuver.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I believe the first two classes should
definitely be reasonable for a good sport airplane to fly the sequences, then a
somewhat larger jump to Advanced, because lets be honest.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>With the number of reasonable priced 2M
designs out today, if someone sticks with it until Advanced then they are
probably going to purchase a true “pattern” plane.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Even if it is a 2 year old RTF plane from
another pilot who has purchased a new airplane.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I do not think that Masters should prepare
someone for FAI specifically, but it should definitely be the hardest class of
AMA pattern.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Most of what we do will
always follow what FAI does.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>It only
makes sense for the AMA pattern rules to follow what FAI does in terms of
aircraft and powerplants allowed.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>This
does not mean that we have to follow exactly what they do for maneuver choice.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I think even snap rolls can be flown and
flown well consistently, just like spins, the problem we have now is no one
knows what everyone is looking for.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Some
judges want to see more break than others, some want them slower, when neither
of these is a true criteria. The key is to make sure everyone looks for the
same things and pilots know exactly how to perform the maneuvers. If it is
written that you must show a 15 degree break, then put it in there for the
pilots to know what to fly.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>They can be
flown anyway that we want to fly them, but the key is to make sure everyone is
looking to fly them the same way.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Even
if it means at the NATS or some judging seminar having someone fly a snap roll
and then saying “OK, this is a snap, whether judge A thinks so or not,
this is what we are calling a snap roll, you may not agree with it, but by
definition, this is what we are saying is a snap roll.”<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>To eventually get everyone on the same page
as to what to look for.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Arch<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bob Pastorello<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 30, 2004
11:26 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Snap Rolls.....are
they legitimate/ RE: displacement during snap rolls discussion</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Dave, as always, thoughtful input....thanks!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> I, for one, (and perhaps the ONLY one)
would like to know pure and simple from the majority of folks playing AMA
pattern....a yes or a no to this question...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> <strong><b><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>"Should the progression of classes within AMA precision
aerobatics be designed to prepare a person for the FAI class?"</span></font></b></strong></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I would like to have this question put to all pattern
fliers, and let the answer shape the design of our sequences. Period.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> (I know this is a good example of "
be careful what you ask for ", but has it ever been asked??)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Bob Pastorello<br>
NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<br>
<a href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</a><br>
<a href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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