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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>After this same discussion was held prior to last
season I started watching snaps more closely and trying to see the initial
break. I also experimented with my own snaps and hitting elevator first. Doing
this is not easy and really makes it difficult to make the snap pretty, but hey,
that's the challenge right?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Then I saw someone whose snaps looked really good
to me (name will go unmentioned). So I looked closer... was there a break
from elevator first? Uh, hard to tell, it happens so quickly, but
definitely not axial, and definitely not a barrel roll and slight offset. Looked
like a pretty good snap to me. After the snap the heading remained the same, but
offset. I couldn't see much to downgrade for and it sure as HECK wasn't a
zero...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now the interesting thing. I spoke to the pilot and
found out that he was using a snap switch! But wait, all the gurus on the
mailing list say you have to input elevator first... Should I now change my
opinion of his snaps because I know what controls he's using?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Maybe the initial break is being over-emphasized,
maybe not. At some point in time someone tried to put into words
the physical action of a snap, not easy to do, and now we're dissecting
their choice of words to decide the "definitive" snap. Who's to say that
the author of the description described the snap well? One slight seemingly
minor verb change could completely change the way we interpret a snap. What came
first, the snap or the description? It's kind of funny that most people
participating in this discussion would question any and everything any and
everyone else may "say", but if it's written down it's the gospel. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What's my point? Just sharing my
thoughts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keith Black</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rcaerobob@cox.net href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">Bob Pastorello</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">NSRCA</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 29, 2004 5:11
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: snap displacement</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tony, I think you've just made a case for
"impresion judging", using the rule-book downgrades to make the "big"
differences, then the "impression" (you may use the word "presentation" [same
thing]) makes the balance of the points.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Or am I missing something about how we should
apply "presentation" to this particular maneuver?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Bob Pastorello<BR>NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<BR><A
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A><BR><A
href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</A></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=tony@radiosouthrc.com
href="mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com">tony@radiosouthrc.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 29, 2004 4:27
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: snap displacement</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keith:<BR><BR>Yes, you are correct about the
"degree" downgrade. I also agree that the pilot that does the "most
clean looking snap" will get the better score, no matter what you use as a
downgrade base.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=tkeithb@comcast.net href="mailto:tkeithb@comcast.net">Keith
Black</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 29, 2004
10:52 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: snap displacement</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tony, you can't measure displacement in
degrees. Heading would be measured in degrees, but displacement would be
measured in inches or feet.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The list has had this conversation before and
the conclusion was that there should be no downgrade for displacement as
long as the heading/track remains the same. That being said, I would think
that if someone does a snap that jumps way over and another pilot does one
that clearly snaps but displaces less that the second pilot should be
rewarded for a more clean looking snap.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keith</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=tony@radiosouthrc.com
href="mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com">tony@radiosouthrc.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:Discussion@Nsrca.Org">Discussion@Nsrca.Org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 29, 2004
8:41 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> snap displacement</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have seen many full-scale pilots do snaps
without any noticeable displacement. I have also seen these same
pilots do poor ones that did displace. I think you must downgrade
it some (1 point per 15 deg).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N.
Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL 32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>