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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial id="role_document"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In Baseball you have “T”
ball, Little League, A, AA AAA & AAAA Then you have the Majors. Ask a kid
what’s the “Destination” class. My bet is the Yankees or the
Braves.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:6.0pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In Pattern
WE call it F3A!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b></span></font><st1:PersonName><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Rcmaster199@aol.com</span></font></st1:PersonName><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><st1:date
Month="1" Day="2" Year="2005"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Sunday, January 02, 2005</span></font></st1:date><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><st1:time
Hour="19" Minute="47"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>7:47 PM</span></font></st1:time><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Sequence Poll Results</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Here
are a couple questions to think about: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Quick,
in one second, how many TOP masters pilots can you think of?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>How
many TOP F3A?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Which
is THE destination class for the TOP pilots in the country?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>MattK<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I have
a little different take on this ( so what's new Ed ?? ) . We currently
subscribe to the theory that a person begins in Sportsman and they progress to
one of two "destination" classes, USA recognized Masters or world
recognized FAI. The current format and rules may not state that but in reality
that is what is implied. So we make the assumption that most if not all pattern
flyers have a goal to fly one of those two "destination" classes
sooner or later, or never if you look at how the numbers are dropping in
pattern. I believe all four AMA classes can be "destination" classes,
I know I have said this before and it was not well received. Frankly, there are
those, myself included, that may never reach a level of proficiency to win
in Masters or FAI. I moved up to Masters in late '02 for a change, not because
I pointed out or won a district championship, I wanted to challenge myself
knowing full well that I was giving up winning in Advanced occasionally to
become the bottom of the heap in Masters. Given the amount of time I can devote
to practice, I can accept that, for me personally flying pattern was never
about wining, however, it sure is nice to win on occasion. Years ago
when I raced NHRA SS/L, my goal or destination was not to become a top fuel
dragster or funny car pilot. I was quiet happy racing ( and winning ) in that
"sportsman" class. My goal in my work life was never to become CEO of
company XYZ. I think we need to recognize and accept the fact that as we have
raised the bar in schedule complexity AND equipment requirements, many have
realized they cannot compete at the highest levels of our sport OR just plain
do not wish too. Part of the reason folks cannot or do not strive to compete at
the Masters and/or FAI level is the amount of resources required ( both
time and $$ but more time ) to even fly, let alone compete at that level.
Not every one that competes wants to be Chip Hyde, I'd dare to say most
are just looking to challenge themselves. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Ed
M. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net" title="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">Bob Pastorello</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org" title="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Sunday, January 02,
2005 12:00 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Re:
Sequence Poll Results<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Thanks,
Mark and Verne. Two sides of the core issue. Since I raised the
initial question, and Ed/Tony put out the poll....I thought perhaps I'd
summarize my rationale.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>
Masters is THE top class in AMA Pattern. That is what our National Competition
is about. In my thinking, it SHOULD stand as separate, and
unique/different in it's skill requirements than FAI.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>
Mark, you wrote that FAI is "the" Top Class. No, it is the
class chosen for the World Championship aerobatic competitions. Because
of that, every country that wants to participate in the WC must have flyers who
prepare using the same standards, same sequences, as the other countries.
I think the US provides that, and even CD's include FAI-F3A events in the
typical pattern contest.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Is
there ANYONE out here who honestly believes that the FAI class is not a
"professional" class of competition?? Please....look at where
the money is spent, the sponsorships "pay", etc. I am perfectly
comfortable being thought of as "Amateur" if I fly AMA
pattern....doesn't ruffle my feathers at all.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>
At the "Professional" level of sports, there are rules that the
Amateurs don't have. Football is a good example.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I
happen to believe that our Masters' class, as the top of the AMA heap, must
represent the best we have in US competition. IF folks want to compete at
the International WORLD level, professional competitions, then I'd bet they
will come FROM our Masters class. And to me, that means that they learn
the "new" Professional Sequences/rules that are needed when they make
that choice.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>It's
not our job in the AMA Pattern classes to make a person competent at FAI.
It is our responsibility to provide interesting challenge, growth, and
INVOLVEMENT opportunities for the majority of the 2% of all modelers who choose
pattern in the first place. Let's build maneuvers in sequences that
provide the skill base...then let those who are "advanced" enough,
learn the rest. There's plenty of mentors out there for them to feed each
other....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Before
ya'll go crazy and start typing like mad.....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>
I am *NOT* saying that we exclude FAI, or discontinue or support of the World
team, or any of that stuff. That's good for the global community.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>
I am saying that we should look a little closer at why we have the game in
the US, and design everything we do around THAT purpose. Whatever it is
deemed to be.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
Bob Pastorello<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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