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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The last two, and the current (2005)&nbsp;Masters, 
schedules were built exactly that way. I salute the designers who put in all of 
the work in the past because they faced a lot of "You are just making another 
FAI schedule" heat, in the day. They persevered and today what happens is that, 
if you reach a certain degree of proficiency in masters, you can switch over, 
AND BACK, to/from FAI without getting too much egg on your face.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Masters is a very unique to the US class. It is 
huge. Probably the envy of many a country around the world. It has many purposes 
and identities. Primarily it really is a destination class because you don't 
have to move "up" out of it. It is a breeding ground for FAI stars because 
that's where they all tend to come from. It is a pinnacle in its own nation and 
most of all it has a great bunch of people enjoying the test and the flying of 
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have gone out on a limb several times for this 
class. It could not be left with the same routine for six years - at least so I 
was told in 1999. So we got the 2000-2001 schedule. Then, with much more 
process,&nbsp;you all got involved with the survey and we did the 2002-2004 
masters along with the NSRCA all-schedules-change-phase. And now we have 2005-7? 
from the last survey.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What is needed now is a process to be designed 
where we, the NSRCA, put together a qualified development team to come up with 
Masters schedules that we can vote on again for&nbsp;the next new Masters 
schedules. You all voted time and again to not use FAI schedules. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The majority needs to stay in involved so that the 
minority does not give you FAI as the only course on the menu.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Welcome to 2005.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=twtaylor@ftc-i.net href="mailto:twtaylor@ftc-i.net">Tim Taylor</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org 
  href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 03, 2005 7:08 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sequence Poll Results</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Doug I think your right, it seems, to me 
  anyway,&nbsp;we already do exactly this. </FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV 
    style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
    <A title=seefo@san.rr.com href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com">Doug Cronkhite</A> 
    </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org 
    href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:25 
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Sequence Poll 
Results</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=015362417-02012005><FONT face=Arial 
    color=#0000ff size=2>I see no reason why the schedules couldn't be built 
    here in the USA and still prepare a pilot for FAI. The two are not mutually 
    exclusive. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=015362417-02012005><FONT face=Arial 
    color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=015362417-02012005><FONT face=Arial 
    color=#0000ff size=2>-Doug</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=015362417-02012005><FONT face=Arial 
    color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN 
    class=015362417-02012005></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>
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      <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A 
      href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">discussion-request@nsrca.org</A> 
      [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Derek 
      Koopowitz<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 02, 2005 9:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 
      <A 
      href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> 
      RE: Sequence Poll Results<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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      <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=006161417-02012005><FONT face=Arial 
      color=#0000ff size=2>Verne,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=006161417-02012005><FONT face=Arial 
      color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=006161417-02012005><FONT face=Arial 
      color=#0000ff size=2>Good point - and RVP as well.&nbsp; When polls are 
      conducted they should be done properly and worded so that there is no 
      ambiguity so that the end result is a clear opinion of what the member 
      feels.&nbsp; Each question that is asked should have a defined lead-in 
      statement that is very clear on the purpose and intent of the question 
      thus preventing anyone from making an assumption as to its true 
      intent.&nbsp; Most polls do not do this but because we need to be very 
      careful in our choices for the future, we need to ensure clarity in what 
      we ask.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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      <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org 
      [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Verne 
      Koester<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 02, 2005 8:33 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 
      discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sequence Poll 
      Results<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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      <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ron,</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial>That's exactly why I didn't participate in the poll. 
      My instincts told me it was going to be another attempt at having Masters 
      fly the previous or current FAI schedule. Like you, I prefer that our 
      schedules be built at home.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Verne Koester</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
        <DIV 
        style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
        <A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van 
        Putte</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org 
        href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 02, 2005 
        11:21 AM</DIV>
        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sequence Poll 
        Results</DIV>
        <DIV><BR></DIV><BR>On Jan 2, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Ron Lockhart 
        wrote:<BR><BR>
        <BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>For the 41% 
          &nbsp;voting to Not have the progression of AMA classes be designed to 
          prepare for F3A,<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>what 
          changes would you&nbsp;like to see in those classes?<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR>&nbsp;<BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Feel 
          free to respond on or off 
        list.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'll bet that many of 
        the people who voted NO on having the progression of AMA classes 
        designed to prepare for F3A were saying, "I don't think the construction 
        of the progression of maneuver schedules should be dictated by a 
        maneuver schedule we have no control over." I, for one, feel that way. I 
        feel that the Master class, the terminus of the AMA maneuver schedule 
        sequence, should reflect what members of NSRCA want. We can't affect 
        what FAI does to the F3A maneuver schedule. If we tailor the Master 
        class maneuver schedule to what is in the F3A maneuver schedule, we will 
        be tinkering with it continuously and changes to the Master class 
        maneuver will often dictate changes to the maneuver schedules in the 
        other classes. I believe <U>we</U> should decide what <U>we</U> want to 
        do and do it. <BR><BR>Ron Van Putte<BR><BR>
        <BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>----- Original 
          Message -----<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger>From:<?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger> 
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?x-tad-bigger>Bob 
          Pastorello<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>To:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> 
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?x-tad-bigger>NSRCA<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger> 
<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Sent:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> 
          Saturday, January 01, 2005 8:44 
PM<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Subject:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> 
          Sequence Poll Results<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>An 
          "unofficial" poll of the NSRCA mail list members (and anyone else who 
          may read RCU's Pattern Forum) was approved by Tony Stillman, created 
          and posted by Ed Hartley on the NSRCA website.&nbsp; Ed and I did the 
          tabulations independently and arrived at the information you see 
below.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR>&nbsp;<BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>This 
          information is the tabulation of all of your responses to this 
          question:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
          <B><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF>"Should the progression of classes 
          within AMA precision aerobatics be designed to prepare a person for 
          the FAI 
          class?"<?/color></B><?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR>&nbsp;<BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>YES<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>NO<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>TOTAL-Class<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>% 
          of Total<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>% 
          Y of Total<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>% 
          N of Total<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Sportsman<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>9<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>3<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>12<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>9%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>12%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>6%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Intermediate<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>21<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>8<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>29<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>22%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>28%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>15%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Advanced<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>10<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>14<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>24<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>19%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>13%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>26%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Masters<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>23<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>20<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>43<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>33%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>30%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>38%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>FAI<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>13<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>8<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>21<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>16%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>17%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>15%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>TOTAL 
          Polls<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>76<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>53<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>129<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>100%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>100%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>% 
          of Total<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param FFFF,FFFF,0000><?smaller>59%<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param FFFF,FFFF,9999><?smaller>41%<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR>&nbsp;<BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>&nbsp;<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Five 
          votes were disallowed, as they either did not contain a name, 
          competition class, or AMA number.&nbsp; All three elements were 
          required for a vote to be tallied.&nbsp; There were three votes where 
          a person selected two classes for their competition.&nbsp; In those 
          situations, I used the lower class, so that the vote could be 
          consistently counted across all classes represented in those choices 
          (there was one each in Intermediate, Advanced, and Masters).<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
          The source information has been saved by Ed (and I) for archival 
          needs, should any arise.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>&nbsp;<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>It 
          is my hope, since I was the original "questioner", that this 
          information may serve to foster discussion and gain insights about our 
          preferences and serve also to springboard future similar polls and 
          member involvement activity in this Rule Change year.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
          We wish the President-elect to consider this information, and discuss 
          with the Board possible future 
activities.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>&nbsp;<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Thanks 
          to all of you for your participation and insight!!!<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>&nbsp;<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Bob 
          Pastorello<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>NSRCA 
          199&nbsp; AMA 46373<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?smaller>rcaerobob@cox.net<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?smaller>www.rcaerobats.net<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>&nbsp;<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?bigger>Ed 
          Hartley<?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?bigger>roho2@rcpattern.com<?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>&nbsp;<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR>&nbsp;<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>