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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The last two, and the current (2005) Masters,
schedules were built exactly that way. I salute the designers who put in all of
the work in the past because they faced a lot of "You are just making another
FAI schedule" heat, in the day. They persevered and today what happens is that,
if you reach a certain degree of proficiency in masters, you can switch over,
AND BACK, to/from FAI without getting too much egg on your face.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Masters is a very unique to the US class. It is
huge. Probably the envy of many a country around the world. It has many purposes
and identities. Primarily it really is a destination class because you don't
have to move "up" out of it. It is a breeding ground for FAI stars because
that's where they all tend to come from. It is a pinnacle in its own nation and
most of all it has a great bunch of people enjoying the test and the flying of
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have gone out on a limb several times for this
class. It could not be left with the same routine for six years - at least so I
was told in 1999. So we got the 2000-2001 schedule. Then, with much more
process, you all got involved with the survey and we did the 2002-2004
masters along with the NSRCA all-schedules-change-phase. And now we have 2005-7?
from the last survey.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What is needed now is a process to be designed
where we, the NSRCA, put together a qualified development team to come up with
Masters schedules that we can vote on again for the next new Masters
schedules. You all voted time and again to not use FAI schedules. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The majority needs to stay in involved so that the
minority does not give you FAI as the only course on the menu.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Welcome to 2005.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric.</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=twtaylor@ftc-i.net href="mailto:twtaylor@ftc-i.net">Tim Taylor</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 03, 2005 7:08
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sequence Poll Results</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Doug I think your right, it seems, to me
anyway, we already do exactly this. </FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=seefo@san.rr.com href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com">Doug Cronkhite</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:25
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Sequence Poll
Results</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=015362417-02012005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I see no reason why the schedules couldn't be built
here in the USA and still prepare a pilot for FAI. The two are not mutually
exclusive. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=015362417-02012005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>-Doug</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=015362417-02012005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">discussion-request@nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Derek
Koopowitz<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 02, 2005 9:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: Sequence Poll Results<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=006161417-02012005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Verne,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=006161417-02012005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Good point - and RVP as well. When polls are
conducted they should be done properly and worded so that there is no
ambiguity so that the end result is a clear opinion of what the member
feels. Each question that is asked should have a defined lead-in
statement that is very clear on the purpose and intent of the question
thus preventing anyone from making an assumption as to its true
intent. Most polls do not do this but because we need to be very
careful in our choices for the future, we need to ensure clarity in what
we ask.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Verne
Koester<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 02, 2005 8:33 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sequence Poll
Results<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ron,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>That's exactly why I didn't participate in the poll.
My instincts told me it was going to be another attempt at having Masters
fly the previous or current FAI schedule. Like you, I prefer that our
schedules be built at home.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Verne Koester</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van
Putte</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 02, 2005
11:21 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sequence Poll
Results</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>On Jan 2, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Ron Lockhart
wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>For the 41%
voting to Not have the progression of AMA classes be designed to
prepare for F3A,<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>what
changes would you like to see in those classes?<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Feel
free to respond on or off
list.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'll bet that many of
the people who voted NO on having the progression of AMA classes
designed to prepare for F3A were saying, "I don't think the construction
of the progression of maneuver schedules should be dictated by a
maneuver schedule we have no control over." I, for one, feel that way. I
feel that the Master class, the terminus of the AMA maneuver schedule
sequence, should reflect what members of NSRCA want. We can't affect
what FAI does to the F3A maneuver schedule. If we tailor the Master
class maneuver schedule to what is in the F3A maneuver schedule, we will
be tinkering with it continuously and changes to the Master class
maneuver will often dictate changes to the maneuver schedules in the
other classes. I believe <U>we</U> should decide what <U>we</U> want to
do and do it. <BR><BR>Ron Van Putte<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>----- Original
Message -----<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger>From:<?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?x-tad-bigger>Bob
Pastorello<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>To:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?x-tad-bigger>NSRCA<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Sent:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Saturday, January 01, 2005 8:44
PM<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Subject:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Sequence Poll Results<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>An
"unofficial" poll of the NSRCA mail list members (and anyone else who
may read RCU's Pattern Forum) was approved by Tony Stillman, created
and posted by Ed Hartley on the NSRCA website. Ed and I did the
tabulations independently and arrived at the information you see
below.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>This
information is the tabulation of all of your responses to this
question:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>
<B><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF>"Should the progression of classes
within AMA precision aerobatics be designed to prepare a person for
the FAI
class?"<?/color></B><?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>YES<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>NO<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>TOTAL-Class<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>%
of Total<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>%
Y of Total<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>%
N of Total<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Sportsman<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>9<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>3<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>12<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>9%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>12%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>6%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Intermediate<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>21<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>8<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>29<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>22%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>28%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>15%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Advanced<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>10<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>14<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>24<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>19%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>13%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>26%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Masters<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>23<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>20<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>43<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>33%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>30%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>38%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>FAI<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>13<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>8<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>21<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>16%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>17%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>15%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>TOTAL
Polls<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>76<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>53<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>129<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>100%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>100%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>%
of Total<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param FFFF,FFFF,0000><?smaller>59%<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param FFFF,FFFF,9999><?smaller>41%<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR> <BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Five
votes were disallowed, as they either did not contain a name,
competition class, or AMA number. All three elements were
required for a vote to be tallied. There were three votes where
a person selected two classes for their competition. In those
situations, I used the lower class, so that the vote could be
consistently counted across all classes represented in those choices
(there was one each in Intermediate, Advanced, and Masters).<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>
The source information has been saved by Ed (and I) for archival
needs, should any arise.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>It
is my hope, since I was the original "questioner", that this
information may serve to foster discussion and gain insights about our
preferences and serve also to springboard future similar polls and
member involvement activity in this Rule Change year.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>
We wish the President-elect to consider this information, and discuss
with the Board possible future
activities.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Thanks
to all of you for your participation and insight!!!<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Bob
Pastorello<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>NSRCA
199 AMA 46373<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?smaller>rcaerobob@cox.net<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?smaller>www.rcaerobats.net<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?bigger>Ed
Hartley<?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?bigger>roho2@rcpattern.com<?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>