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Jerry (and Dave Lockhart):<br>
Opinion polls are a great idea, and are surely indicative of the wishes
of the membership, both pro and con. Among many things, it gives the
membership the idea that they are valued, and they are participating in
the direction of pattern, helping to get it to grow. That's to the
good.<br>
However--and this is obvious, but needs to be pointed out again and
again--if these wishes aren't heeded, then there is a resentment built
that will be hard to make go away. One particular thing I'm talking
about, is the wishes of those in the lower classes to have more
frequent schedule changes. Completely disregarded by the powers in
charge of such things, those of us in that category felt, at least in
the case of several I have spoken with, a disenfranchisement. Kind of
a "why bother? Nobody's really listening." The constant refrain of
those in charge of such things seems to be "well, those classes are
transitory in nature; why should we bother with changes." "The flyer
in Intermediate this year, will be in Advanced next year". This faulty
thinking, or "one size fits all" attitude is harmful to those who are
desperately interested in Pattern, and want to see it grow. I feel
that, until it can be demonstrated that there is no "double standard"
those of us stuck in the lower classes will continue to feel a degree
of being left out. And, it's so easy to remedy. Anyway, that's the way
I see it.<br>
<br>
Bill Glaze<br>
<br>
Jerry Stebbins wrote:
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Derek, appropiate comment for the
question at hand. Some pilots I talked to wondered why it was written
/phrased as it was. Most felt it really did not need an answer, since
if our AMA Masters is our best, hardest, and final destination class,
it falls that getting there would be A path to FAI. Not THE path
necessarily, but if you could not do those "hardest" maneuvers then you
are really at a disadvantage trying to fly FAI maneuvers. I realize Bob
threw the question out as a quick "look see", and am glad he did. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Follow on, and future questions that
are planned to be used as a basis for setting NSRCA Policy ,or approach
to some issue, do need to be very carefully worded, and tested, so
there is a clear and concise understanding of what you are being
asked, and no room for individual assumptions to be developed. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I hope we do set up a "systems
approach" to defining the path NSRCA wants to follow for class
definition and development. Would not be too hard, just a lot of time
and aquiring lots of good input from the Membership.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Jerry</font></div>
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<a title="derekkoopowitz@earthlink.net"
href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@earthlink.net">Derek Koopowitz</a> </div>
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Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:18 AM</div>
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RE: Sequence Poll Results</div>
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<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span class="006161417-02012005"><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Verne,</font></span></div>
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<div align="left" dir="ltr"><span class="006161417-02012005"><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Good point - and RVP as well.
When polls are conducted they should be done properly and worded so
that there is no ambiguity so that the end result is a clear opinion of
what the member feels. Each question that is asked should have a
defined lead-in statement that is very clear on the purpose and intent
of the question thus preventing anyone from making an assumption as to
its true intent. Most polls do not do this but because we need to be
very careful in our choices for the future, we need to ensure clarity
in what we ask.</font></span></div>
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<hr tabindex="-1"> <font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">discussion-request@nsrca.org</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Verne Koester<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 02, 2005 8:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Sequence Poll Results<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Ron,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">That's exactly why I didn't participate in
the poll. My instincts told me it was going to be another attempt at
having Masters fly the previous or current FAI schedule. Like you, I
prefer that our schedules be built at home.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Verne Koester</font></div>
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<a title="vanputte@cox.net" href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron
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Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:21 AM</div>
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<br>
On Jan 2, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Ron Lockhart wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote>For the 41% voting to Not have the progression of
AMA classes be designed to prepare for F3A,<br>
what changes would you like to see in those classes?<br>
<br>
Feel free to respond on or off list.<br>
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I'll bet that many of the people who voted NO on having the progression
of AMA classes designed to prepare for F3A were saying, "I don't think
the construction of the progression of maneuver schedules should be
dictated by a maneuver schedule we have no control over." I, for one,
feel that way. I feel that the Master class, the terminus of the AMA
maneuver schedule sequence, should reflect what members of NSRCA want.
We can't affect what FAI does to the F3A maneuver schedule. If we
tailor the Master class maneuver schedule to what is in the F3A
maneuver schedule, we will be tinkering with it continuously and
changes to the Master class maneuver will often dictate changes to the
maneuver schedules in the other classes. I believe <u>we</u> should
decide what <u>we</u> want to do and do it. <br>
<br>
Ron Van Putte<br>
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<b>From:</b> Bob Pastorello <br>
<b>To:</b> NSRCA <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 01, 2005 8:44 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Sequence Poll Results<br>
<br>
An "unofficial" poll of the NSRCA mail list members (and anyone else
who may read RCU's Pattern Forum) was approved by Tony Stillman,
created and posted by Ed Hartley on the NSRCA website. Ed and I did
the tabulations independently and arrived at the information you see
below.<br>
<br>
This information is the tabulation of all of your responses to this
question:<br>
<b>"Should the progression of classes within AMA precision
aerobatics be designed to prepare a person for the FAI class?"</b><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<b>YES</b><br>
<br>
<br>
<b>NO</b><br>
<br>
<br>
<b>TOTAL-Class</b><br>
<br>
<br>
<b>% of Total</b><br>
<br>
<br>
<b>% Y of Total</b><br>
<br>
<br>
<b>% N of Total</b><br>
<br>
<br>
<b>Sportsman</b><br>
<br>
<br>
9<br>
<br>
<br>
3<br>
<br>
<br>
12<br>
<br>
<br>
9%<br>
<br>
<br>
12%<br>
<br>
<br>
6%<br>
<br>
<br>
<b>Intermediate</b><br>
<br>
<br>
21<br>
<br>
<br>
8<br>
<br>
<br>
29<br>
<br>
<br>
22%<br>
<br>
<br>
28%<br>
<br>
<br>
15%<br>
<br>
<br>
<b>Advanced</b><br>
<br>
<br>
10<br>
<br>
<br>
14<br>
<br>
<br>
24<br>
<br>
<br>
19%<br>
<br>
<br>
13%<br>
<br>
<br>
26%<br>
<br>
<br>
<b>Masters</b><br>
<br>
<br>
23<br>
<br>
<br>
20<br>
<br>
<br>
43<br>
<br>
<br>
33%<br>
<br>
<br>
30%<br>
<br>
<br>
38%<br>
<br>
<br>
<b>FAI</b><br>
<br>
<br>
13<br>
<br>
<br>
8<br>
<br>
<br>
21<br>
<br>
<br>
16%<br>
<br>
<br>
17%<br>
<br>
<br>
15%<br>
<br>
<br>
<b>TOTAL Polls</b><br>
<br>
<br>
76<br>
<br>
<br>
53<br>
<br>
<br>
129<br>
<br>
<br>
100%<br>
<br>
<br>
100%<br>
<br>
<br>
<b>% of Total</b><br>
<br>
<br>
<b>59%</b><br>
<br>
<br>
<b>41%</b><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Five votes were disallowed, as they either did not contain a name,
competition class, or AMA number. All three elements were required for
a vote to be tallied. There were three votes where a person selected
two classes for their competition. In those situations, I used the
lower class, so that the vote could be consistently counted across all
classes represented in those choices (there was one each in
Intermediate, Advanced, and Masters).<br>
The source information has been saved by Ed (and I) for archival
needs, should any arise.<br>
<br>
It is my hope, since I was the original "questioner", that this
information may serve to foster discussion and gain insights about our
preferences and serve also to springboard future similar polls and
member involvement activity in this Rule Change year.<br>
We wish the President-elect to consider this information, and
discuss with the Board possible future activities.<br>
<br>
Thanks to all of you for your participation and insight!!!<br>
<br>
Bob Pastorello<br>
NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</a><br>
<br>
Ed Hartley<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:roho2@rcpattern.com">roho2@rcpattern.com</a><br>
<br>
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