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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=175123400-03012005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I agree wholeheartedly, Jerry.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jerry
Stebbins<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:56 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sequence Poll
Results<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Derek, appropiate comment for the question at hand.
Some pilots I talked to wondered why it was written /phrased as it was.
Most felt it really did not need an answer, since if our AMA Masters is our
best, hardest, and final destination class, it falls that getting there
would be A path to FAI. Not THE path necessarily, but if you could not do those
"hardest" maneuvers then you are really at a disadvantage trying to fly FAI
maneuvers. I realize Bob threw the question out as a quick "look see", and
am glad he did. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Follow on, and future questions that are planned to
be used as a basis for setting NSRCA Policy ,or approach to some issue, do need
to be very carefully worded, and tested, so there is a clear and concise
understanding of what you are being asked, and no room for individual
assumptions to be developed. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I hope we do set up a "systems approach" to
defining the path NSRCA wants to follow for class definition and development.
Would not be too hard, just a lot of time and aquiring lots of good input from
the Membership.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jerry</FONT></DIV>
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href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@earthlink.net">Derek Koopowitz</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:18
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Sequence Poll Results</DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Verne,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Good point - and RVP as well. When polls are
conducted they should be done properly and worded so that there is no
ambiguity so that the end result is a clear opinion of what the member
feels. Each question that is asked should have a defined lead-in
statement that is very clear on the purpose and intent of the question thus
preventing anyone from making an assumption as to its true intent. Most
polls do not do this but because we need to be very careful in our choices for
the future, we need to ensure clarity in what we ask.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Verne
Koester<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 02, 2005 8:33 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sequence Poll
Results<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ron,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>That's exactly why I didn't participate in the poll. My
instincts told me it was going to be another attempt at having Masters fly the
previous or current FAI schedule. Like you, I prefer that our schedules be
built at home.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Verne Koester</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:21
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sequence Poll
Results</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>On Jan 2, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Ron Lockhart wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>For the 41% voting
to Not have the progression of AMA classes be designed to prepare for F3A,<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>what
changes would you like to see in those classes?<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Feel
free to respond on or off
list.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'll bet that many of the
people who voted NO on having the progression of AMA classes designed to
prepare for F3A were saying, "I don't think the construction of the
progression of maneuver schedules should be dictated by a maneuver schedule
we have no control over." I, for one, feel that way. I feel that the Master
class, the terminus of the AMA maneuver schedule sequence, should reflect
what members of NSRCA want. We can't affect what FAI does to the F3A
maneuver schedule. If we tailor the Master class maneuver schedule to what
is in the F3A maneuver schedule, we will be tinkering with it continuously
and changes to the Master class maneuver will often dictate changes to the
maneuver schedules in the other classes. I believe <U>we</U> should decide
what <U>we</U> want to do and do it. <BR><BR>Ron Van Putte<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>----- Original
Message -----<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger>From:<?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?x-tad-bigger>Bob
Pastorello<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>To:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?x-tad-bigger>NSRCA<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Sent:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Saturday, January 01, 2005 8:44 PM<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Subject:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Sequence Poll Results<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>An
"unofficial" poll of the NSRCA mail list members (and anyone else who may
read RCU's Pattern Forum) was approved by Tony Stillman, created and
posted by Ed Hartley on the NSRCA website. Ed and I did the
tabulations independently and arrived at the information you see below.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>This
information is the tabulation of all of your responses to this question:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>
<B><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF>"Should the progression of classes
within AMA precision aerobatics be designed to prepare a person for the
FAI class?"<?/color></B><?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>YES<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>NO<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>TOTAL-Class<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>%
of Total<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>%
Y of Total<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>%
N of Total<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Sportsman<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>9<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>3<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>12<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>9%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>12%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>6%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Intermediate<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>21<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>8<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>29<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>22%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>28%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>15%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Advanced<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>10<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>14<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>24<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>19%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>13%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>26%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Masters<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>23<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>20<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>43<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>33%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>30%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>38%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>FAI<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>13<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>8<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>21<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>16%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>17%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>15%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>TOTAL
Polls<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>76<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>53<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>129<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>100%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>100%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>%
of Total<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param FFFF,FFFF,0000><?smaller>59%<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param FFFF,FFFF,9999><?smaller>41%<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR> <BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Five
votes were disallowed, as they either did not contain a name, competition
class, or AMA number. All three elements were required for a vote to
be tallied. There were three votes where a person selected two
classes for their competition. In those situations, I used the lower
class, so that the vote could be consistently counted across all classes
represented in those choices (there was one each in Intermediate,
Advanced, and Masters).<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>
The source information has been saved by Ed (and I) for archival needs,
should any arise.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>It
is my hope, since I was the original "questioner", that this information
may serve to foster discussion and gain insights about our preferences and
serve also to springboard future similar polls and member involvement
activity in this Rule Change year.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>
We wish the President-elect to consider this information, and discuss with
the Board possible future activities.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Thanks
to all of you for your participation and insight!!!<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Bob
Pastorello<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>NSRCA
199 AMA 46373<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?smaller>rcaerobob@cox.net<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?smaller>www.rcaerobats.net<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?bigger>Ed
Hartley<?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?bigger>roho2@rcpattern.com<?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>