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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Doug I think your right, it seems, to me
anyway, we already do exactly this. </FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=seefo@san.rr.com href="mailto:seefo@san.rr.com">Doug Cronkhite</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:25
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Sequence Poll Results</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=015362417-02012005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I see no reason why the schedules couldn't be built here
in the USA and still prepare a pilot for FAI. The two are not mutually
exclusive. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=015362417-02012005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>-Doug</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">discussion-request@nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Derek
Koopowitz<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 02, 2005 9:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: Sequence Poll Results<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=006161417-02012005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Verne,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Good point - and RVP as well. When polls are
conducted they should be done properly and worded so that there is no
ambiguity so that the end result is a clear opinion of what the member
feels. Each question that is asked should have a defined lead-in
statement that is very clear on the purpose and intent of the question thus
preventing anyone from making an assumption as to its true intent.
Most polls do not do this but because we need to be very careful in our
choices for the future, we need to ensure clarity in what we
ask.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Verne
Koester<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 02, 2005 8:33 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sequence Poll
Results<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ron,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>That's exactly why I didn't participate in the poll.
My instincts told me it was going to be another attempt at having Masters
fly the previous or current FAI schedule. Like you, I prefer that our
schedules be built at home.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Verne Koester</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:21
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sequence Poll
Results</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>On Jan 2, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Ron Lockhart wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>For the 41%
voting to Not have the progression of AMA classes be designed to
prepare for F3A,<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>what
changes would you like to see in those classes?<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Feel
free to respond on or off
list.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'll bet that many of
the people who voted NO on having the progression of AMA classes designed
to prepare for F3A were saying, "I don't think the construction of the
progression of maneuver schedules should be dictated by a maneuver
schedule we have no control over." I, for one, feel that way. I feel that
the Master class, the terminus of the AMA maneuver schedule sequence,
should reflect what members of NSRCA want. We can't affect what FAI does
to the F3A maneuver schedule. If we tailor the Master class maneuver
schedule to what is in the F3A maneuver schedule, we will be tinkering
with it continuously and changes to the Master class maneuver will often
dictate changes to the maneuver schedules in the other classes. I believe
<U>we</U> should decide what <U>we</U> want to do and do it. <BR><BR>Ron
Van Putte<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>----- Original
Message -----<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger>From:<?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?x-tad-bigger>Bob
Pastorello<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>To:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?x-tad-bigger>NSRCA<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Sent:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Saturday, January 01, 2005 8:44 PM<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Subject:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Sequence Poll Results<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>An
"unofficial" poll of the NSRCA mail list members (and anyone else who
may read RCU's Pattern Forum) was approved by Tony Stillman, created and
posted by Ed Hartley on the NSRCA website. Ed and I did the
tabulations independently and arrived at the information you see below.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>This
information is the tabulation of all of your responses to this question:<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>
<B><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF>"Should the progression of classes
within AMA precision aerobatics be designed to prepare a person for the
FAI
class?"<?/color></B><?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>YES<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>NO<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>TOTAL-Class<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>%
of Total<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>%
Y of Total<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>%
N of Total<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Sportsman<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>9<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>3<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>12<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>9%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>12%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>6%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Intermediate<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>21<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>8<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>29<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>22%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>28%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>15%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Advanced<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>10<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>14<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>24<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>19%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>13%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>26%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Masters<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>23<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>20<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>43<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>33%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>30%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>38%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>FAI<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>13<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>8<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>21<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>16%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>17%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>15%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>TOTAL
Polls<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>76<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>53<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>129<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>100%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>100%<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>%
of Total<?/smaller><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param FFFF,FFFF,0000><?smaller>59%<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param FFFF,FFFF,9999><?smaller>41%<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily></B><BR><BR> <BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Five
votes were disallowed, as they either did not contain a name,
competition class, or AMA number. All three elements were required
for a vote to be tallied. There were three votes where a person
selected two classes for their competition. In those situations, I
used the lower class, so that the vote could be consistently counted
across all classes represented in those choices (there was one each in
Intermediate, Advanced, and Masters).<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>
The source information has been saved by Ed (and I) for archival needs,
should any arise.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>It
is my hope, since I was the original "questioner", that this information
may serve to foster discussion and gain insights about our preferences
and serve also to springboard future similar polls and member
involvement activity in this Rule Change
year.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>
We wish the President-elect to consider this information, and discuss
with the Board possible future activities.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Thanks
to all of you for your participation and insight!!!<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Bob
Pastorello<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>NSRCA
199 AMA 46373<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?smaller>rcaerobob@cox.net<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?smaller>www.rcaerobats.net<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?bigger>Ed
Hartley<?/bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?bigger>roho2@rcpattern.com<?/bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller> <?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>