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I dunno, Jason; I know some of them, and they might just decide to beat
you up, period!<VBG> Bill Glaze<br>
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<div><span class="720352303-04012005"><font color="#0000ff" size="3">I
did make the jump...but I got my tail handed to me for a few years
before settling down and moving up....Maybe after this year I'll fly
Advanced again after the Nats and get my Nats trophy from Advanced I
just missed; providing some of these Advanced pilots don't beat me up
first (flying).</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="720352303-04012005"><font color="#0000ff" size="3">Jason</font></span></div>
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<b>From:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">discussion-request@nsrca.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org</a>]<b>On Behalf Of </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com">Rcmaster199@aol.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 03, 2005 8:11 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Fwd: Sequence Poll Results<br>
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<div><font id="role_document" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">In
a message dated 1/3/2005 10:10:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rcmaster199
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<div><font id="role_document" color="#000000" face="Arial"
size="2"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000"
face="Arial" size="2">It seems to me that Earl is right. It's a moot
point</font></font></div>
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<div><font id="role_document" color="#000000" face="Arial"
size="2"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000"
face="Arial" size="2">In the US (and many other countries) we are
lucky to have pattern competition in ever increasing levels of
difficulty. When a competitor has reached some level of profficiency
and feels compelled to compete for the World stage, he or she only
needs to do it. We have no other requiremnts imposed. The question in
my mind is, are prep levels really necessary? If one is driven enough
and focused enough, No!</font></font></div>
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<div><font id="role_document" color="#000000" face="Arial"
size="2"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000"
face="Arial" size="2">There are countries out there that do not have
such progression in skill requirements. Often it's only a handful of
pilots available and it's either F3A or nothing. Well, just fun flying
I suppose. Point is they don't need anything special to compete in
F3A--just desire. They do it to the best of their ability. And they
have a bunch of fun doing it.</font></font></div>
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<div><font id="role_document" color="#000000" face="Arial"
size="2"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000"
face="Arial" size="2">It occasionally is that way here also and I
would bet that those that want to compete at the F3A level will,
regardless of earlier prep. It helps, obviously. But what really helps
is the exposure to competition. And in that regard, AMA classes 401-404
serve the function of prep for F3A just fine. But each class stands on
its own. </font></font></div>
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<div><font id="role_document" color="#000000" face="Arial"
size="2"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000"
face="Arial" size="2">Those that want to go to F3A after any of these
classes, are free to do so. If memory serves, Jason Shulman moved to
F3A comp after kicking everybody's butt in ADVANCED. No Expert, Expert
TA or Masters.</font></font></div>
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<div><font id="role_document" color="#000000" face="Arial"
size="2"><font style="background-color: transparent;" color="#000000"
face="Arial" size="2">Is F3A the TOP class, or "Destination" class or
whatever you want to call it? Does it really matter?</font></font></div>
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color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">Earl Haury wrote: </font></font></font></p>
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<style></style> <font face="Arial"><font size="-1">I think
this "top class" issue is of little value and, at best, semantics. One
could argue that, as AMA pattern class 404 is Masters and AMA pattern
406 is F3A, F3A is at the top of AMA progression.</font></font> <font
face="Arial"><font size="-1">Mark's point that we have as much
influence in F3A as any other country is not only valid - many of the
F3A "innovations" have come from USA reps to the FAI CIAM F3A
Subcommittee. I also assure you that a sequence provided by "us" will
not only receive as much consideration as any other, but be quite
welcome.</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size="-1">Our pattern
community worldwide is small, why on earth would we want to be only a
subset? BTW - does anyone have a feel for the total number of pattern
competitors worldwide, I suspect that the US may be in the minority.
Sure, we should and do have preparatory classes. These may become
resident classes for folks prevented from moving forward by any number
of limiting factors, but that's a fact of life - not reason to tailor
these classes to that end.</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font
size="-1">One of the strongest attractions for model aviation is
diversity. Likewise, excess diversity is a weakness of model aviation.
We too quickly "invent" new disciplines to accommodate each and every
interest with the effect of diluting our core groups. If one considers
most sports, many folks participate at playground, high school,
college, and pro levels with fewer at each level as the requirements
take a toll. But the "top" level is clearly recognized and emulated,
there may be concessions to detail, difficulty, equipment at the early
levels - but the top level clearly is the goal.</font></font> <font
face="Arial"><font size="-1">I find it sad that some consider that the
NSRCA</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size="-1">should ignore
F3A, rather the NSRCA should drive the US interests in F3A. The NSRCA
was founded by the top F3A competitors of the time and there was no
expectation that it was exclusive of F3A, unfortunately they didn't
recognize the need to spell that out in the charter. Pattern is our
game, anything that interests folks in pattern competition is very
good, discussion of pattern details is good, F3A is the epitome of our
game, but I find it hard to criticize anything related to the enjoyment
of pattern.</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size="-1">Earl</font></font> -----
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