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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Being not too far removed from Sportsman myself I
have to agree that the sportsman pattern is about right in difficulty, just a
little short unless it's flown twice. Without flying it twice the sportsman guys
really get the short end of the stick. If you make it any more difficult then it
will be too hard for the newbie. Even with the current sportsman pattern when I
began I sometimes REALLY needed the box exits, especially after the two loops.
And as far as two rolls go, that's WAY too difficult for sportsman. That
maneuver scared the bejeepers out of for the longest time in Intermediate
(especially when I lost track of my rolls, with the sun in my face, over the
trees in Temple!). </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One good thing about the current sportsman pattern
is it's easier to get new guys to consider trying the pattern when they see how
"simple" it is. Of course, they quickly find out that even though the maneuvers
are simple it's not at all easy for the uninitiated pattern flyer to keep the
plane on track through the maneuvers. Then they ALL say the same thing... "WOW!
That's harder than it looks!".</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think the Sportsman pattern is about right, just
a little short.</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keith Black</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=d.pappas@kodeos.com href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">Dean Pappas</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:57
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: adding interest and
complexity to Sportsman ... again and again and </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hey
George,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>When
the wind blows, even a little bit, the present Sportsman schedule overtaxes
both the concentration and skill of the entry level
pilot.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>A
certain amount of this is good, 'cause all real learning is painful, but this
is a trap that the event has fallen into at least four times in my
recollection.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>We
keep changing schedules to maintain interest, and that's
good.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>When
we revise the schedules, we keep adding interest: that sounds good, but what
we really almost always ended up doing was adding a tiny bit of complexity
until ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>We
have to add a new class to the all-important bottom of the
pyramid.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Want
to know how many times it's happened? Once it was called Novice, then we
called it Pre-Novice, then the schedules all changed,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>and
we called it Novice again, then we changed the name to Sportsman, and added
Turnaround.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
like the schedule Don proposes, but I'd rather have the Sportsmen fly two
short schedules with a "holy cow!, let me get back from the next county."
break between the schedules.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Some
Sportsmen go without a breath for a whole schedule. Okay that's a slight
exageration.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
have used the out-of-box time between those two schedules to coach, calm, and
teach the incoming pilots. It's terribly useful.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Oh
yes, 3 rolls is infinitely more useful for teaching "elevator timing" than
2. You can fake it for 2, but the 3rd one requires that the plane be
under control after 2.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hey
Ron van Putte ... you out there?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Tell
the man about the time the Earth shook in Lake Charles!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>George Kennie<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:37
PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [SPAM] Re: [SPAM]
Re: [SPAM] Re: Annex proposal - development<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>I too find
Don Ramsey's sequence very stimulating. <BR>Reminds me that I have always
felt that the poor guys in Sportsman sometimes appear to be getting the
short end of the stick regarding the schedule.Many contests that I have
attended have them flying the sequence twice because the routine is so very
short. I would like to see their schedule slightly modified to give them a
little longer sequence and a little additional stimulation. <BR>I would
propose something like the following.
<P>1.T.O.
U <BR>2.Free
Pass.
D <BR>3.Straight Flight
Out.
C
U <BR>4.Procedure
Turn.
T <BR>5.Straight Flight
Back.
C
D <BR>6.1/2 Reverse Cuban
Eight
T <BR>7.Immelman
Turn.
C
U <BR>8.Split
S.
T <BR>9.2
Loops.
C
U <BR>10.Exit The
Box.
U <BR>11.Enter The
Box.
D <BR>12.Non-Rolling Triangular
Loop
C
U <BR>13.Humpty Bump 1/2 roll
up
T <BR>14.One 2-Point
Roll
C
D <BR>15.1/2 Cuban
Eight.
T <BR>16.Non-Rolling
Cobra.
C
U <BR>17.Stall
Turn.
T <BR>18.2
Rolls.
C
D <BR>19.Exit The Box.
<BR>20.Landing.
C
U
<P>C= Center,T=Turnaround, U= Upwind, D=Downwind.
<P>My rationale is that this is the point that we need to encourage this
<BR>class of fliers to work on their down elevator timing by introducing
<BR>2 rolls.This shouldn't be too much for them to handle as they are
<BR>currently doing a 2 point roll. Also the 2 loops will sharpen their
<BR>precision by making them work harder at presentation placement. <BR>The
Procedure Turn will teach them something that will be required, <BR>and the
Humpty should present no major problems as they are already <BR>doing a 1/2
Reverse Cuban.They should be learning the Stall Turn and <BR>the Triangular
Loop will further strengthen their centering skills.There are <BR>seven
maneuvers before taking a breather and seven more to complete <BR>the
sequence. <BR>Now these fellows can fly ONE sequence like the rest of us and
the <BR>time required should be no longer than the time required to fly a
double <BR>schedule.
<P>Sportsman pilots out there, let me know what you think. <BR>Georgie
<BR>P.S.I wonder if there are any Sportsman guys monitoring this
list?? <BR><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial
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