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<DIV>I think it's fairly easy to come up with a poor sequence, even from a
list of only 25 figures. Not everyone can put together a good
sequence. I saw this every year at many a contest with IMAC
unknowns. There a small handful of guys that can do a sequence design
well, then there's everybody else. What problem are we trying to solve by
doing this?</DIV>
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<DIV>Ed</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Rcmaster199@aol.com
href="mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com">Rcmaster199@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:10
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [SPAM] Re: AMA MASTER'S
unknown?</DIV>
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<DIV>Similar to what Eric H wrote in his last column, would Masters pilots
entertain the idea of Semi-Final round on the last day of Prelims at the Nats?
Every one would fly the Semi-Final schedule during the last day of prelims.
Then the same schedule could be flown in a Finals format, or even alternate
between the picked sequence and the current Prelim schedule in Finals. </DIV>
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<DIV>The schedule sequence could be picked by the CD or his representative
from a list of 25-30 maneuvers as Troy N. suggests, and be given out at the
Pilots meeting Sunday evening. It's sure to liven things up a bit Wed. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What do Masters pilots think?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>MattK</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 1/6/2005 1:55:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
troy_newman@msn.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Why not give the pilots a list of 25 maneuvers.
Of these 25 possible only 15 will be used in the unknown. This is what
the TOC used to do. These would be stuff that you have already seen and
done..Just different looks. Like 4pts, 8pts, no rolling loops, circles or
other circus tricks. Just stuff from older Masters sequences and Difficulty
levels that are on a par with the current 404 skill level. This list would
be out in the open above board and all pilots would know it. Then when the
sequence was handed out it could be managed. Besides F3A...We all know what
the possible maneuvers will be. There are just about 500-600 of them and the
pilots pick the sequence. To manage this on a Masters skill level,
make the list only 25 possible and then the pilots can practice all 25 and
be prepared.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Then its a semi unknown. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Another solution if you want to walk this line
is that the Finals schedule is really that its known say June 1st or maybe
July 1st...Then if the pilot wants to practice he can and if he doesn't it
need not.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just some other ideas.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Personally I think its a neat idea...But I
don't fly the Masters so its up to the people that fly it to make the
call.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think this type of thing would be welcomed by
the pilots that are flying the event. Its a challenge and is fun. One thing
we always hear from the IMAC contests is that the pilots like the fact there
are unknowns. I personally enjoy the Unknowns in the F3A event. I think this
would elevate the Masters pilots to a new level and build their skills.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tony Stillman, RVP and I discussed this in
detail last year 2003. We thought it could work and that many of the Masters
guys would like it and welcome it. Who knows? </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>TN</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mailto:bob@toprudder.com href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">Bob
Richards</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 06, 2005
11:24 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: AMA MASTER'S
unknown?</DIV>
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<DIV>I can see both sides. If only one pattern is ever flown, the person
that has practiced the most, whether a "natural" or not, has a better
chance of being rewarded for all the effort. An unknown sequence would
most likely go to the person that is the overall best flyer, with a little
less dependence on the amount of actual practice time.</DIV>
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<DIV>An unknown sequence must be known to at least one person. Keeping a
sequence secret may be tough. There could always be the possibility of the
secret getting out, or even some competitors being able to guess what
might be in the sequence just by knowing the preferences of the person(s)
in charge of developing the unknown.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think I would rather see a prelim/finals, with EVERYONE flying the
finals. Let the finals be a different schedule, but known in advance of
the contest. Would be a good time to showcase the next-year's schedule, if
it exists.</DIV>
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<DIV>Knowing the sequence in advance would also be a good thing for the
people that will have to judge as well, IMHO.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bob Richards.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Rcmaster199@aol.com</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>The concept has alot of merit in respect to keeping Finals
day more lively in Masters. Either a different schedule or an
unknown thrown in, or both. </DIV>
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