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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree, but it's still entirely
doable.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Perhaps not for the first time builder, but it can
be done, and it's not THAT difficult. You just have to take some extra
steps and be more thoughtful of every single piece that goes on the plane,
structural or equipment. I was told it can't be done PERIOD. That sort of made
me twitch. Yes it can, it's just not as easy as a 10.5 lb plane, and gets
exponentially more difficult the lower you go. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=DaveL322@comcast.net href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">David
Lockhart</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:55
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: PL Products</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>9.5 lbs by itself is easy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>9.5 lbs AND straight AND strong AND durable is
something entirely different!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Dave</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kerlock@comcast.net href="mailto:kerlock@comcast.net">Mike
Hester</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:24
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: PL Products</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just saw this.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That's funny, a well known "expert" told me
yours was an isolated incident. Interesting, thanks for sharing. Of course
this same expert told me there was no way I could build a plane as big as a
Partner at 9 1/2 lbs. Even offered to bet me, but wouldn't bite on my price
=) (GOD how I wish he would!)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nobody is perfect, but a few people go to great
lengths to ignore and dismiss problems. I dunno, it sucks, but I think when
you have a problem and are told nothing is wrong or it's your fault,
something is obviously amiss. Then to hear you aren't alone, well that does
change things.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=tony@radiosouthrc.com
href="mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com">tony@radiosouthrc.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 06, 2005
10:30 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: PL Products</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Derek:<BR><BR>Kind of reminds me of the
Excellence that I had that blew off a wing... The wing socket was not
installed properly (Quique had the SAME problem and had to go to France to
show them how to fix it). The offered me 10% off another
kit.... What a deal! <BR><BR>After many e-mails and some
intervention by Quique on my behalf, they agreed to replace the kit, but I
still had to pay $350 in shipping cost... At least I did get
something....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now you know why I designed my own last year
(Panacea) and it is kitted by PAC..... If anyone is looking for a
great flying KIT to build, contact PAC!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=derekkoopowitz@earthlink.net
href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@earthlink.net">Derek Koopowitz</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 05, 2005
11:39 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: PL Products</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=699173605-06012005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Well, the biggest question in my mind... is will he
honor replacing the damaged Partner fuselage that arrived at my doorstep
in June of last year? After promising to replace it in August -
I'm still waiting for it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=699173605-06012005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=699173605-06012005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>BTW, I've kept this out of this forum but he blamed
ME for it arriving damaged at my doorstep. Hmmm...
</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">discussion-request@nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Russell
Honea<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:35 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: PL
Products<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000>Guys,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000>Here is an e-mail reply that Patrick
sent to me today in reply to a question I posed to him about the closing
of PL. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#800000></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#800000></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hello Mr Russell
Honea</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Sadden of this problem yes
the company(society) pl prod and close but we are going to honor all the
commands(orders) gift(donation) pl prod received a deposit by a
buyer(rescuer) and I would be as engineering manager to reassure your
customers we are going soon to be able to take your order <BR>Thank you
to still take one can of patience sums us in plain <STRONG><FONT
color=#ff0000>reorganization</FONT></STRONG> to worry you not we are
going soon to be able to answer has your demand you can count on us for
2005 with a great novelty which is going to upset world you can inform
about it your forum<BR>Has very soon </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Patrick
Lemonnier<BR></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=patterndude@comcast.net
href="mailto:patterndude@comcast.net">Lance Van Nostrand</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 05, 2005
10:41 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: PL Products</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Patrick is some interesting
character. Thought I was re-reading Les Miserables for a minute
there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=derekkoopowitz@earthlink.net
href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@earthlink.net">Derek Koopowitz</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 05,
2005 10:18 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: PL Products</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=232151704-06012005><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Yes - this is true. I got this
message off a French discussion forum... I've run it through a
translator so don't laugh too hard:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=232151704-06012005><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=232151704-06012005><FONT size=2>
<P>DEVELOPED FOR the RAGOTEURS IN ANY KIND "makes of them the four
or five slobbery over-devouts of the forum" because the other
members are unaware of them. With their place I will have shame to
have had such remarks to know that it is only about anonymous letter
since the latter not courage to employ their own name and sign under
pseudo. But I make a point of announcing to them all the same that
in the event of deposit of complaint for slandering, the qualified
services would have the possibility of identifying them without
difficulty. For a few weeks, I have followed time to other the
forums model makers which comment on the event and I think that it
is time for me to intervene and to give the things to the point.
First of all PL PROD was not put in bankruptcy but it is of my own
initiative that I filed for bankruptcy, which in France is an act of
management and not a personal bankruptcy. Much among you will
understand that it is humanly difficult to announce this kind of
decision by Internet, namely that moreover it was impossible to to
me to do it day when liquidation was marked with the court since the
discontinuance of business was imminent whereas I hoped to have an
agreement of the judge to be able to finish my deliveries in the
course of customers whose installment had been boxed. The reasons of
my decision are not like it was known as in the forum a lack of
order quite to the contrary. But with my problems of health which
last since more than one year, I have no possibility to work like
before and I had to engage of the personnel to face my many orders.
Unfortunately, the same problems which were the cause of the legal
rectification in 2000, again arose; employees not qualified to form,
wages and exuberant social contributions compared to work provided,
various prud' man for certain employees who believed any
knowledge... and obviously in France the employer is always wrong,
all this generates enormous court expenses. Like he was said by a
member of the forum, it is true that a great number of SME or SME
are only delocalized abroad and to be to relieve of the social
contributions which are much too heavy in France. Moreover why not
consider such a solution for the future!!!!! I knew well that the
vultures would be with the mounting and I announce to crafty one who
think, I quote them: "to be made gold testicles" and which in their
dream reserve parts, or "foreigners with their full pocket" or those
still which think that the company is not worth anything, and well
for some it has a very great value and for all those which would
like to come to make deals, they will may find it beneficial to have
very solid finances because they will have vis-a-vis them somebody
which has them to him and moreover one hard motivation like a
"rock". Personally my only wish currently is to make return a
maximum of money at the time of the sale so that the syndic can
deaden the debts to the maximum. As opposed to what Mr. PALERMO
announced following his visit in my residence where is located the
company, the buildings are not emptied, all stock and the machines
remained in place as at the day of the pronunciation of liquidation.
And will remain it under my personal guard without the syndic did
not consider it useful to put at it sealed or to remove the
material. What shows a whole confidence on behalf of the syndic
towards me. I also expected to see some unloading some ones, to see
whether there were nothing with grappiller and indeed I saw some
coming some, of which Mr. PALERMO and his son. I quote them bus me I
do not hide like them behind pseudo on the forums to hold to with it
of the defamatory and erroneous remarks. Such as: To say that my
wife supposedly said to him that it refused to return her cheque to
him. In connection with this given cheque on November 6 and to box
that on December 1, I consider that there was not of order since it
is the payment of the installment which confirms the latter. However
not being able to be taken into account since the company did not
exist any more at the date of November 25 this one became by this
null and void fact. This cheque will be sent dice tomorrow by the
post office in recommended A.R with a letter which will accompany it
I join copy to you. Frankly, what I will have make of a cheque of
330 € to the order of PL PROD!!!! I am not a swindler, far from
there!!! I also advise to him to consult the statutes of the
company, it will note that my concubine "Simone" does not have any
share nor bond in company PL PROD. It affirms to be badly received,
those which know us well, know our direction of the reception.
However well on not having let it return in the buildings, in order
to appease his curiosity and I think after having read his remarks
on this forum, I suspect it of having wanted to be useful itself in
stock since it felt swindled whereas its cheque of installment was
never cashed and that it will be it never. I would like just to
announce to the son of Mr. Palermo that if he wrote under the
dictation of his father, he should learn how to judge by itself of
the reality of the facts and that if he wrote his own initiative
which he is still quite young person and inexperienced to hold such
remarks because nobody knows what the future can hold to him instead
of unnecessarily wasting its time in the forums that he should take
of the French courses. I also prevent, all those which are to adapt
the photographs of Clara MORGANE on my site PL PROD without
authorization, that these photographs are the property of Patrick
LEMONNIER personally, that they cost me 8000 € for the day of
installation with authorization of exclusive diffusion on stores
where they appeared and on my site. However with all these, I join
the article of the penal code to you which relates to them: ATTACK A
LIFE PRIVEE BY RECORDING AND DIFFUSION OF The IMAGE Of A PERSON
WITHOUT HER ASSENT ARTICLE 226-1 AND 226-2 OF CODE PENAL. I highly
invite them to withdraw these photographs of their site which I
already recorded as proof if I do not have excuses into public on
this forum like that was made to dirty me. If not Clara MORGANE will
be made a pleasure of requiring significant damages of them. Act
quickly because I am not patient kind in this field. In addition my
personal businesses look at me and I never neither was windy myself
about it nor hidden and these last do not have absolutely anything
to see with the company PL PROD which never did not produce or
diffused a film in this field. It is not a "SCOOP" to speak about
it! That each one does its housework in front of its door before
dealing with that of the neighbor. PL PROD was always more one
passion that a profitability (I am not enrichiesur the account of
the company quite to the contrary, I invested myself as much
physically than financially) I think of having done what is
necessary to advance the world of the model amongst other things
reduces the FÁ and the F3M including the electric innovation in FÁ.
It should be known that to make model reduced for the high level
competition is a very delicate trade, very difficult and fragile
especially if one wants to make "HAUTE COUTURE". My great
satisfaction currently is of knowing that a great number of my
models are copied throughout the whole World and by many
international companies. Whereas a few years ago I took that for an
affront, now I am proud. With my opinion the progression will be
much slower if there are no more my models to copy. Will know that
Patrick LEMONNIER did not say his last word, that one should not
sell the skin of the bear before having it to kill and I am still
quite alive and the head full with ideas for the future. I thank the
regulator for this forum which knew after a fashion to make reign
the order about the insults towards Clara MORGANE and I think that
that should not have been easy. I thank, also, those which took my
defense on this forum as those which remained quiet vis-a-vis these
commérages thus showing the contempt that they bring vis-a-vis such
remarks and I know that you are numerous. I think of having been
honest and courteous and I find damage to be obliged to justify
itself on a forum in this way there and I hope that in the future
those which will have some things to say to me or to wonder will do
it directly on my personal e-mail patricklemonnier@wanadoo.fr I make
all reserves on the action pursuant which I will take to these
slanderings. I clearly hope to have been. Patrick
LEMONNIER</P></FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Verne
Koester<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:13
PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA<BR><B>Subject:</B> PL
Products<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I just heard a rumour that PL Products has
gone out of business. Anybody heard anything?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Verne
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