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Yeah Dean,
<BR>I was thinking that it might become necessary to reinstate a pre -novice
schedule for the one guy who shows up and this is his second week flying
R/C. And yes, he's definitely in the minority, as the majority of the guys
I've seen showing up to compete in Sportsman have achieved a degree of
flight proficiency that is not going to embarrass them.Some even compete
with 2 meter ships.What's that tell you about their self evaluation?
<BR>IMHO it appears to me that the only individuals that ever travel to
a pattern event (novice types) are mostly individuals who have flown for
at least a year or so and have decided, whether realistically or not, that
they have attaineed a degree of proficiency that will stand them in sufficiently
good stead to get themselves thru the stated requirements.Most of us don't
acquire the realization that we're really not as adept as we once thought
'til we get into at least Advanced. It would seem that, for many of us,
it takes the higher degree of complexity to illuminate reality in a sufficient
manner for us to acknowledge the truth. That's the position I find myself
in presently.
<BR>G.
<P>Dean Pappas wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=-1>Hey
George,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=-1>When
the wind blows, even a little bit, the present Sportsman schedule overtaxes
both the concentration and skill of the entry level pilot.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=-1>A
certain amount of this is good, 'cause all real learning is painful, but
this is a trap that the event has fallen into at least four times in my
recollection.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=288221420-06012005></SPAN><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=-1>We
keep changing schedules to maintain interest, and that's good.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=-1>When
we revise the schedules, we keep adding interest: that sounds good, but
what we really almost always ended up doing was adding a tiny bit of complexity
until ...</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=-1>We
have to add a new class to the all-important bottom of the pyramid.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=-1>Want
to know how many times it's happened? Once it was called Novice, then we
called it Pre-Novice, then the schedules all changed,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=-1>and
we called it Novice again, then we changed the name to Sportsman, and added
Turnaround.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=-1>I
like the schedule Don proposes, but I'd rather have the Sportsmen fly two
short schedules with a "holy cow!, let me get back from the next county."
break between the schedules.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=-1>Some
Sportsmen go without a breath for a whole schedule. Okay that's a slight
exageration.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=-1>I
have used the out-of-box time between those two schedules to coach, calm,
and teach the incoming pilots. It's terribly useful.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=288221420-06012005></SPAN><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=-1>Oh
yes, 3 rolls is infinitely more useful for teaching "elevator timing" than
2. You can fake it for 2, but the 3rd one requires that the plane
be under control after 2.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=-1>Hey
Ron van Putte ... you out there?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=-1>Tell
the man about the time the Earth shook in Lake Charles!</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=288221420-06012005></SPAN><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=-1>Regards,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Dean
Pappas</FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT>
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[<A HREF="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org</A>]<B>On Behalf Of </B>George Kennie</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Tahoma"><FONT SIZE=-1><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 06,
2005 2:37 PM</FONT></FONT>
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I too find Don Ramsey's sequence very stimulating.
<BR>Reminds me that I have always felt that the poor guys in Sportsman
sometimes appear to be getting the short end of the stick regarding the
schedule.Many contests that I have attended have them flying the sequence
twice because the routine is so very short. I would like to see their schedule
slightly modified to give them a little longer sequence and a little additional
stimulation.
<BR>I would propose something like the following.
<P>1.T.O.
U
<BR>2.Free Pass.
D
<BR>3.Straight Flight Out.
C
U
<BR>4.Procedure Turn.
T
<BR>5.Straight Flight Back.
C
D
<BR>6.1/2 Reverse Cuban Eight
T
<BR>7.Immelman Turn.
C
U
<BR>8.Split S.
T
<BR>9.2 Loops.
C
U
<BR>10.Exit The Box.
U
<BR>11.Enter The Box.
D
<BR>12.Non-Rolling Triangular Loop
C
U
<BR>13.Humpty Bump 1/2 roll up
T
<BR>14.One 2-Point Roll
C
D
<BR>15.1/2 Cuban Eight.
T
<BR>16.Non-Rolling Cobra.
C
U
<BR>17.Stall Turn.
T
<BR>18.2 Rolls.
C
D
<BR>19.Exit The Box.
<BR>20.Landing.
C
U
<P>C= Center,T=Turnaround, U= Upwind, D=Downwind.
<P>My rationale is that this is the point that we need to encourage this
<BR>class of fliers to work on their down elevator timing by introducing
<BR>2 rolls.This shouldn't be too much for them to handle as they are
<BR>currently doing a 2 point roll. Also the 2 loops will sharpen their
<BR>precision by making them work harder at presentation placement.
<BR>The Procedure Turn will teach them something that will be required,
<BR>and the Humpty should present no major problems as they are already
<BR>doing a 1/2 Reverse Cuban.They should be learning the Stall Turn and
<BR>the Triangular Loop will further strengthen their centering skills.There
are
<BR>seven maneuvers before taking a breather and seven more to complete
<BR>the sequence.
<BR>Now these fellows can fly ONE sequence like the rest of us and the
<BR>time required should be no longer than the time required to fly a double
<BR>schedule.
<P>Sportsman pilots out there, let me know what you think.
<BR>Georgie
<BR>P.S.I wonder if there are any Sportsman guys monitoring this list??
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