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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tom:<BR><BR>GOOD FOR YOU!!! OKAY, guys, the
line has been drawn... Any other takers?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Tom.Koenig@actewagl.com.au
href="mailto:Tom.Koenig@actewagl.com.au">Koenig, Tom</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:28
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: NB Engineering..now
Challenge</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=473503602-07012005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>Mr Onda San might just do that...clean up that
is!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=473503602-07012005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=473503602-07012005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>I
suggested this before ( to some degree), I'd like to see a plan's feature..say
every quarter in the K-Factor? This would ofcourse be dependent on the number
of OD planes out there. But as ( I think) Mike mentioned, there are more
wooden aircraft out there than people think. We just need to encourage
designers to come out of the woodwork( pardon the pun). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=473503602-07012005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>The problem I have always had with this is purely
'confidence'......CRIKEY... for fear I might get burnt at the stake because
some joker cant trim,build, or my model MIGHT require a tiny mix...blah blah
blah...and so on.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=473503602-07012005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=473503602-07012005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"
color=#0000ff>Gentlemen...designing a model is not that hard. Designing a good
one is ofcourse different story. But show me one 'NAME' who drew up the
perfect plane, let alone a good one first up. They are all an evolution of
sorts. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=473503602-07012005></SPAN><SPAN
class=473503602-07012005></SPAN><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
class=473503602-07012005><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=3>Just
imagine the skills that would suddenly re-appear or be re-learnt once
people put the 'modelling' back into pattern..a frightening thought<VBG>
But I guess this is a sad reflection of the society in which we live. NO time
available to do anything properly these days ......and this instant
gratification thing going on just drives me nuts.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN class=473503602-07012005><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=3>Sorry..I'm starting to ramble
on</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN class=473503602-07012005><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=3></FONT></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN class=473503602-07012005><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=3>OK...I'll put up/out a
challenge....</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN class=473503602-07012005><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=3></FONT></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN class=473503602-07012005><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=3>I will do a plans feature and
article for the K-factor of my new Merlin ( as I build it). PROVIDING we
can get at least THREE others do do the same. That will take care of 12
months worth of K-Factors. I will also NOT entertain any negative aspects such
as..the plan needs more detail, or this thing is a DAWG etc. I can only do my
best at the time. So.... STIFF....unfortunately this is the attitude I have to
take to muster up enough courage to put my *ss on the
line!!.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN class=473503602-07012005></SPAN><SPAN
class=473503602-07012005></SPAN><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=3>I<SPAN class=473503602-07012005>'ll do this purely
because I LOVE pattern...and I don't care where in the world you are...pattern
is pattern...and I too want to promote its
growth.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=3><SPAN
class=473503602-07012005></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=3><SPAN class=473503602-07012005>So..... the plans
will be hand drawn...if you want CAD, then I will need a volunteer...and
no.... there is no MONEY in it!!!</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=3><SPAN
class=473503602-07012005></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=3><SPAN class=473503602-07012005>I await with baited
breath for other volunteer designers!</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=3><SPAN
class=473503602-07012005></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=3><SPAN
class=473503602-07012005>Tom</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=3><SPAN
class=473503602-07012005></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=3><SPAN class=473503602-07012005>PS: Again my
apologies for rambling on..but this whole thing of manufacturers ( good or
bad) going to the wall upsets
me!</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=3><SPAN
class=473503602-07012005></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=3><SPAN
class=473503602-07012005></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=473503602-07012005> </SPAN>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Mike
Hester<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 7 January 2005 1:19 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: NB Engineering ---- was PL
Products<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree TOTALLY! It's so GREAT to hear good
stuff like that, I only wish more people would support these kind of guys,
and not just because Flier X flies one....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Another good point was brought to my attention
today. Mike Harrison has been flying his own stuff for years, as has Bryan
Hebert. No they haven't won the worlds yet, but they do rather well wouldn't
you say? And they did it without marching to the beat of someone else's
drum. Neither of them get enough credit. This is the kind of stuff that
drives me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I wish more people would compete with and do
well with North American and (well supported!) designs. Or thier own stuff.
Whatever it takes to break the stranglehold of the european kit makers. Just
to shake things up and bring people back to reality. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Think about this: what happens if a japanese
guy starts cleaning house at the worlds again? You know they fly wood planes
over there, and they do quite well too.....what then? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It's a subject that could be beaten to death
(and has been....guilty as charged). But it's a large enough issue to
warrant some discussion, positive and negative.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rcpattern@comcast.net href="mailto:rcpattern@comcast.net">Archie
Stafford</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 06, 2005 8:21
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> NB Engineering ---- was PL
Products</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">On the other end
of the scope I want to share an experience from a company who did stand
behind their work.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I ordered
a Mantis kit and it showed up last month.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Through no fault of Nedim’s the
fuse was damaged near the horizontal stab.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It was dented and the gel coat was
cracked.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I called Nedim and
told him what happened, he immediately offered to do whatever it took to
fix the situation, offered to send me a new fuse.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I even had a bunch of custom work
done on my Mantis, firewall installed and some other things.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The fuse was easily fixed so I did
not accept the new fuse offer.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>I later found out that for whatever reason he had not insured the
shipment.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And even though it
would’ve come out of his pocket, he offered to make sure I was happy.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Just wanted to
share a positive experience from a kit maker, these are the ones we need
to take care of…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Arch<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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