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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have the District 1 record for how to make the
lightest rudder.....hint.....heat is the key.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed M.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kerlock@comcast.net href="mailto:kerlock@comcast.net">Mike Hester</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:08
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: PL Products</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree, but it's still entirely
doable.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Perhaps not for the first time builder, but it
can be done, and it's not THAT difficult. You just have to take some
extra steps and be more thoughtful of every single piece that goes on the
plane, structural or equipment. I was told it can't be done PERIOD. That sort
of made me twitch. Yes it can, it's just not as easy as a 10.5 lb plane, and
gets exponentially more difficult the lower you go. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=DaveL322@comcast.net href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">David
Lockhart</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:55
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: PL Products</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>9.5 lbs by itself is easy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>9.5 lbs AND straight AND strong AND durable is
something entirely different!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Dave</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kerlock@comcast.net href="mailto:kerlock@comcast.net">Mike
Hester</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:24
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: PL Products</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just saw this.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That's funny, a well known "expert" told me
yours was an isolated incident. Interesting, thanks for sharing. Of course
this same expert told me there was no way I could build a plane as big as
a Partner at 9 1/2 lbs. Even offered to bet me, but wouldn't bite on my
price =) (GOD how I wish he would!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nobody is perfect, but a few people go to
great lengths to ignore and dismiss problems. I dunno, it sucks, but I
think when you have a problem and are told nothing is wrong or it's your
fault, something is obviously amiss. Then to hear you aren't alone, well
that does change things.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=tony@radiosouthrc.com
href="mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com">tony@radiosouthrc.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 06, 2005
10:30 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: PL Products</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Derek:<BR><BR>Kind of reminds me of the
Excellence that I had that blew off a wing... The wing socket was not
installed properly (Quique had the SAME problem and had to go to France
to show them how to fix it). The offered me 10% off another
kit.... What a deal! <BR><BR>After many e-mails and some
intervention by Quique on my behalf, they agreed to replace the kit, but
I still had to pay $350 in shipping cost... At least I did get
something....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now you know why I designed my own last
year (Panacea) and it is kitted by PAC..... If anyone is looking
for a great flying KIT to build, contact PAC!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=derekkoopowitz@earthlink.net
href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@earthlink.net">Derek Koopowitz</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 05, 2005
11:39 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: PL Products</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=699173605-06012005><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Well, the biggest question in my
mind... is will he honor replacing the damaged Partner fuselage that
arrived at my doorstep in June of last year? After promising to
replace it in August - I'm still waiting for it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=699173605-06012005><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=699173605-06012005><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>BTW, I've kept this out of this forum
but he blamed ME for it arriving damaged at my doorstep. Hmmm...
</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">discussion-request@nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Russell
Honea<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:35
PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: PL
Products<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000>Guys,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000>Here is an e-mail reply that
Patrick sent to me today in reply to a question I posed to him about
the closing of PL. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#800000></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#800000></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hello Mr Russell
Honea</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Sadden of this problem yes
the company(society) pl prod and close but we are going to honor all
the commands(orders) gift(donation) pl prod received a deposit by a
buyer(rescuer) and I would be as engineering manager to reassure your
customers we are going soon to be able to take your order <BR>Thank
you to still take one can of patience sums us in plain <STRONG><FONT
color=#ff0000>reorganization</FONT></STRONG> to worry you not we are
going soon to be able to answer has your demand you can count on us
for 2005 with a great novelty which is going to upset world you can
inform about it your forum<BR>Has very soon </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Patrick
Lemonnier<BR></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=patterndude@comcast.net
href="mailto:patterndude@comcast.net">Lance Van Nostrand</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 05,
2005 10:41 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: PL Products</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Patrick is some interesting
character. Thought I was re-reading Les Miserables for a
minute there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=derekkoopowitz@earthlink.net
href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@earthlink.net">Derek Koopowitz</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 05,
2005 10:18 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: PL
Products</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=232151704-06012005><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Yes - this is true. I got
this message off a French discussion forum... I've run it through
a translator so don't laugh too hard:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=232151704-06012005><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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size=2>
<P>DEVELOPED FOR the RAGOTEURS IN ANY KIND "makes of them the four
or five slobbery over-devouts of the forum" because the other
members are unaware of them. With their place I will have shame to
have had such remarks to know that it is only about anonymous
letter since the latter not courage to employ their own name and
sign under pseudo. But I make a point of announcing to them all
the same that in the event of deposit of complaint for slandering,
the qualified services would have the possibility of identifying
them without difficulty. For a few weeks, I have followed time to
other the forums model makers which comment on the event and I
think that it is time for me to intervene and to give the things
to the point. First of all PL PROD was not put in bankruptcy but
it is of my own initiative that I filed for bankruptcy, which in
France is an act of management and not a personal bankruptcy. Much
among you will understand that it is humanly difficult to announce
this kind of decision by Internet, namely that moreover it was
impossible to to me to do it day when liquidation was marked with
the court since the discontinuance of business was imminent
whereas I hoped to have an agreement of the judge to be able to
finish my deliveries in the course of customers whose installment
had been boxed. The reasons of my decision are not like it was
known as in the forum a lack of order quite to the contrary. But
with my problems of health which last since more than one year, I
have no possibility to work like before and I had to engage of the
personnel to face my many orders. Unfortunately, the same problems
which were the cause of the legal rectification in 2000, again
arose; employees not qualified to form, wages and exuberant social
contributions compared to work provided, various prud' man for
certain employees who believed any knowledge... and obviously in
France the employer is always wrong, all this generates enormous
court expenses. Like he was said by a member of the forum, it is
true that a great number of SME or SME are only delocalized abroad
and to be to relieve of the social contributions which are much
too heavy in France. Moreover why not consider such a solution for
the future!!!!! I knew well that the vultures would be with the
mounting and I announce to crafty one who think, I quote them: "to
be made gold testicles" and which in their dream reserve parts, or
"foreigners with their full pocket" or those still which think
that the company is not worth anything, and well for some it has a
very great value and for all those which would like to come to
make deals, they will may find it beneficial to have very solid
finances because they will have vis-a-vis them somebody which has
them to him and moreover one hard motivation like a "rock".
Personally my only wish currently is to make return a maximum of
money at the time of the sale so that the syndic can deaden the
debts to the maximum. As opposed to what Mr. PALERMO announced
following his visit in my residence where is located the company,
the buildings are not emptied, all stock and the machines remained
in place as at the day of the pronunciation of liquidation. And
will remain it under my personal guard without the syndic did not
consider it useful to put at it sealed or to remove the material.
What shows a whole confidence on behalf of the syndic towards me.
I also expected to see some unloading some ones, to see whether
there were nothing with grappiller and indeed I saw some coming
some, of which Mr. PALERMO and his son. I quote them bus me I do
not hide like them behind pseudo on the forums to hold to with it
of the defamatory and erroneous remarks. Such as: To say that my
wife supposedly said to him that it refused to return her cheque
to him. In connection with this given cheque on November 6 and to
box that on December 1, I consider that there was not of order
since it is the payment of the installment which confirms the
latter. However not being able to be taken into account since the
company did not exist any more at the date of November 25 this one
became by this null and void fact. This cheque will be sent dice
tomorrow by the post office in recommended A.R with a letter which
will accompany it I join copy to you. Frankly, what I will have
make of a cheque of 330 € to the order of PL PROD!!!! I am not a
swindler, far from there!!! I also advise to him to consult the
statutes of the company, it will note that my concubine "Simone"
does not have any share nor bond in company PL PROD. It affirms to
be badly received, those which know us well, know our direction of
the reception. However well on not having let it return in the
buildings, in order to appease his curiosity and I think after
having read his remarks on this forum, I suspect it of having
wanted to be useful itself in stock since it felt swindled whereas
its cheque of installment was never cashed and that it will be it
never. I would like just to announce to the son of Mr. Palermo
that if he wrote under the dictation of his father, he should
learn how to judge by itself of the reality of the facts and that
if he wrote his own initiative which he is still quite young
person and inexperienced to hold such remarks because nobody knows
what the future can hold to him instead of unnecessarily wasting
its time in the forums that he should take of the French courses.
I also prevent, all those which are to adapt the photographs of
Clara MORGANE on my site PL PROD without authorization, that these
photographs are the property of Patrick LEMONNIER personally, that
they cost me 8000 € for the day of installation with authorization
of exclusive diffusion on stores where they appeared and on my
site. However with all these, I join the article of the penal code
to you which relates to them: ATTACK A LIFE PRIVEE BY RECORDING
AND DIFFUSION OF The IMAGE Of A PERSON WITHOUT HER ASSENT ARTICLE
226-1 AND 226-2 OF CODE PENAL. I highly invite them to withdraw
these photographs of their site which I already recorded as proof
if I do not have excuses into public on this forum like that was
made to dirty me. If not Clara MORGANE will be made a pleasure of
requiring significant damages of them. Act quickly because I am
not patient kind in this field. In addition my personal businesses
look at me and I never neither was windy myself about it nor
hidden and these last do not have absolutely anything to see with
the company PL PROD which never did not produce or diffused a film
in this field. It is not a "SCOOP" to speak about it! That each
one does its housework in front of its door before dealing with
that of the neighbor. PL PROD was always more one passion that a
profitability (I am not enrichiesur the account of the company
quite to the contrary, I invested myself as much physically than
financially) I think of having done what is necessary to advance
the world of the model amongst other things reduces the FÁ and the
F3M including the electric innovation in FÁ. It should be known
that to make model reduced for the high level competition is a
very delicate trade, very difficult and fragile especially if one
wants to make "HAUTE COUTURE". My great satisfaction currently is
of knowing that a great number of my models are copied throughout
the whole World and by many international companies. Whereas a few
years ago I took that for an affront, now I am proud. With my
opinion the progression will be much slower if there are no more
my models to copy. Will know that Patrick LEMONNIER did not say
his last word, that one should not sell the skin of the bear
before having it to kill and I am still quite alive and the head
full with ideas for the future. I thank the regulator for this
forum which knew after a fashion to make reign the order about the
insults towards Clara MORGANE and I think that that should not
have been easy. I thank, also, those which took my defense on this
forum as those which remained quiet vis-a-vis these commérages
thus showing the contempt that they bring vis-a-vis such remarks
and I know that you are numerous. I think of having been honest
and courteous and I find damage to be obliged to justify itself on
a forum in this way there and I hope that in the future those
which will have some things to say to me or to wonder will do it
directly on my personal e-mail patricklemonnier@wanadoo.fr I make
all reserves on the action pursuant which I will take to these
slanderings. I clearly hope to have been. Patrick
LEMONNIER</P></FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Verne
Koester<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:13
PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA<BR><B>Subject:</B> PL
Products<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I just heard a rumour that PL Products has
gone out of business. Anybody heard anything?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Verne
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