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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=770222214-07012005>Amen.</SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Del
Rykert<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 07, 2005 4:35 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:** del klipped for reposting ** AMA
MASTER'S unknown?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif">I am wondering with all this talk about
the masters schedule and possibility of changes nothing has been addressed about
the lower classes that have been brought up. What is the message that is given
to the fliers in other classes. They get the scrapes and are third rate
fliers? Some issues were brought up but I never saw any replies to
their concerns. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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del</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 07, 2005 2:47
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: AMA MASTER'S unknown?</DIV>
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<DIV>A couple more thoughts on the subject: </DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>First,</STRONG> the issue of judging Finals (knowns and unknowns
alike): Having judged Masters Nats and F3A Nats and Team Selection
Finals, I found it was easier for we judges to have a
competent caller amongst us, calling the maneuver to us. This was a person
separate from the pilots' caller, speaking softly as to not distract the
pilot. But when we didn't have a caller, it wasn't that bad. The demo flights
before the round started served as good refreshers as to what the shapes
looked like. </DIV>
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<DIV>Some of us had not seen the F knowns flown before, let alone the
unknowns. As an F3A Finals judge, you do what you can to familiarize yourself
with the sequence. If you're chosen to judge, you already know how (elements,
presentation, positioning, distance, S and G, etc, not belaboring the
obvious).</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>Second</STRONG>, regarding Masters unknowns: Judging will be a
little trickier because our pool of competent judges is still rather small,
and F3A uses 10 already. Less are needed for Masters which is a good
thing. With a demo flight, this shouldn't be that bad for pilots and judges
alike. </DIV>
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<DIV>Finalist F3Aers can do the F sequences and unknowns sequences (of their
choosing) and I believe Masters Finalists can also. Do they need to? NO THEY
DON"T. </DIV>
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<DIV>But, it wasn't that long ago that Masters was not only able, they were
REQUIRED to choose their own schedules from the Masters list of maneuvers.
There was a maximum K Factor, and that was the only guide line. Not only that,
but they could change their schedules from round to round if they chose. After
all they were MASTERS PILOTS AND IT WAS <STRONG><EM>THE TOP
CLASS</EM></STRONG>. The ability to choose was the rite of passage, and
some moved there with that mind set. Was it interesting? Yup, without a doubt.
This was before TA and scoring programs and the like. Should we retuurn to
that way of doing business? It would be much harder to do it
administratively, so, NO, probably not! </DIV>
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<DIV>However, I do find it strange that MASTERS pilots in general, appear to
be saying that it would be too complicated so lets not even bother. </DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>Third</STRONG>, does it have to be an unknown? NO. It could just
be a Finals known sequence that is different than the Prelim schedule. I favor
this actually over an unknown. The Final sequence in my view, would be reduced
in maneuver number but increased in complexity. Putting snaps aside for a
minute, I see nothing wrong with loop-roll combinations for example. Same
thing for a rolling circle, (but not crazy as in the F05 schedule). One roll
circles or two roll circles are very pretty maneuvers and a great deal of fun
to do, and don't use up half the county. These maneuver types are hard to do
with precision, but that's the whole point. They are separator maneuvers.
Again, what becomes harder is the administration.</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>Fourth</STRONG>, what problem would be solved? I'll answer it
with a question: are we (Masters pilots)happy with status quo? Same ol' same
old is a good thing? If yes, then the whole discussion is moot. If no, then
lets change it.</DIV>
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<DIV>MattK</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 1/7/2005 12:31:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Ed_Alt@hotmail.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Well, after flying Scale Aerobatics, AKA IMAC for
7 or 8 years, from Sportsman through Unlimited, I guess I'm not very excited
about introducing unknowns into Pattern. On the one hand, it does add
some interest. On the other hand, it introduces so many variables that
it can really screw up an event and adversely affect the outcome. If
the desire here is to turn Pattern into a contest of who can best memorize
new sequences on the fly, who won't crack under the pressure and simply
brain fart their way into a few zeros, then this is a great
idea.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>So if we do this, the sequences have to be well
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