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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree with Keith on the difficulty level.
Sportsman is meant to be an entry level class and all kinds of planes and skill
levels exist.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From what I have seen, about 1/3 or so of the new
Sportsman pilots have a rough time keeping heading parallel to the
runway. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To keep them interested it is critical that they
can complete the sequence. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For that first contest it takes some determination
to flying in front of the judges and everyone else - to badly mess up when you
feel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>that everyone is watching can take a lot out of the
experience.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=tkeithb@comcast.net href="mailto:tkeithb@comcast.net">Keith Black</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:59
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: adding interest and
complexity to Sportsman ... again and again and </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Being not too far removed from Sportsman myself I
have to agree that the sportsman pattern is about right in difficulty, just a
little short unless it's flown twice. Without flying it twice the sportsman
guys really get the short end of the stick. If you make it any more difficult
then it will be too hard for the newbie. Even with the current sportsman
pattern when I began I sometimes REALLY needed the box exits, especially after
the two loops. And as far as two rolls go, that's WAY too difficult for
sportsman. That maneuver scared the bejeepers out of for the longest time in
Intermediate (especially when I lost track of my rolls, with the sun in my
face, over the trees in Temple!). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One good thing about the current sportsman
pattern is it's easier to get new guys to consider trying the pattern when
they see how "simple" it is. Of course, they quickly find out that even though
the maneuvers are simple it's not at all easy for the uninitiated pattern
flyer to keep the plane on track through the maneuvers. Then they ALL say the
same thing... "WOW! That's harder than it looks!".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think the Sportsman pattern is about right,
just a little short.</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keith Black</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=d.pappas@kodeos.com href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">Dean
Pappas</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:57
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: adding interest and
complexity to Sportsman ... again and again and </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Hey George,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>When the wind blows, even a little bit, the present Sportsman
schedule overtaxes both the concentration and skill of the entry level
pilot.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>A
certain amount of this is good, 'cause all real learning is painful, but
this is a trap that the event has fallen into at least four times in my
recollection.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>We
keep changing schedules to maintain interest, and that's
good.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>When we revise the schedules, we keep adding interest: that sounds
good, but what we really almost always ended up doing was adding a tiny bit
of complexity until ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>We
have to add a new class to the all-important bottom of the
pyramid.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Want to know how many times it's happened? Once it was called Novice,
then we called it Pre-Novice, then the schedules all
changed,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>and we called it Novice again, then we changed the name to Sportsman,
and added Turnaround.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
like the schedule Don proposes, but I'd rather have the Sportsmen fly two
short schedules with a "holy cow!, let me get back from the next county."
break between the schedules.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Some Sportsmen go without a breath for a whole schedule. Okay that's
a slight exageration.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
have used the out-of-box time between those two schedules to coach, calm,
and teach the incoming pilots. It's terribly useful.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Oh
yes, 3 rolls is infinitely more useful for teaching "elevator timing" than
2. You can fake it for 2, but the 3rd one requires that the plane be
under control after 2.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Hey Ron van Putte ... you out there?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Tell the man about the time the Earth shook in Lake
Charles!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=288221420-06012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>George Kennie<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 06, 2005
2:37 PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [SPAM] Re:
[SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Annex proposal - development<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>I
too find Don Ramsey's sequence very stimulating. <BR>Reminds me that I
have always felt that the poor guys in Sportsman sometimes appear to be
getting the short end of the stick regarding the schedule.Many contests
that I have attended have them flying the sequence twice because the
routine is so very short. I would like to see their schedule slightly
modified to give them a little longer sequence and a little additional
stimulation. <BR>I would propose something like the following.
<P>1.T.O.
U <BR>2.Free
Pass.
D <BR>3.Straight Flight
Out.
C
U <BR>4.Procedure
Turn.
T <BR>5.Straight Flight
Back.
C
D <BR>6.1/2 Reverse Cuban
Eight
T <BR>7.Immelman
Turn.
C
U <BR>8.Split
S.
T <BR>9.2
Loops.
C
U <BR>10.Exit The
Box.
U <BR>11.Enter The
Box.
D <BR>12.Non-Rolling Triangular
Loop
C
U <BR>13.Humpty Bump 1/2 roll
up
T <BR>14.One 2-Point
Roll
C
D <BR>15.1/2 Cuban
Eight.
T <BR>16.Non-Rolling
Cobra.
C
U <BR>17.Stall
Turn.
T <BR>18.2
Rolls.
C
D <BR>19.Exit The Box.
<BR>20.Landing.
C
U
<P>C= Center,T=Turnaround, U= Upwind, D=Downwind.
<P>My rationale is that this is the point that we need to encourage this
<BR>class of fliers to work on their down elevator timing by introducing
<BR>2 rolls.This shouldn't be too much for them to handle as they are
<BR>currently doing a 2 point roll. Also the 2 loops will sharpen their
<BR>precision by making them work harder at presentation placement.
<BR>The Procedure Turn will teach them something that will be required,
<BR>and the Humpty should present no major problems as they are already
<BR>doing a 1/2 Reverse Cuban.They should be learning the Stall Turn and
<BR>the Triangular Loop will further strengthen their centering
skills.There are <BR>seven maneuvers before taking a breather and seven
more to complete <BR>the sequence. <BR>Now these fellows can fly ONE
sequence like the rest of us and the <BR>time required should be no longer
than the time required to fly a double <BR>schedule.
<P>Sportsman pilots out there, let me know what you think. <BR>Georgie
<BR>P.S.I wonder if there are any Sportsman guys monitoring this
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