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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think I’m partial to the unknowns
because I’ve never really been overly concerned with a caller. <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Yes, I understand if I haven’t
flown a sequence that it the caller is VERY important, but I’m not
someone who has to hear the maneuver 2/3 of the way through or anything like
that. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>At the NATS I don’t think
it is a problem finding a “qualified” caller. <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>No one from my home field goes to the
NATS (actually that’s incorrect, my father is a site director and another
pilot is a line chief, however these are both useless to me at the NATS. <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I think if the caller attended the
announcement of the “unknowns” with the pilots on Wednesday night
as they do in FAI, then I don’t think it would be that big of a problem. <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>You have all evening plus the next
morning to go over the sequence and kind of see how things flow. <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Even if it was as simple as changing the
sequence of the maneuvers that are in the pattern it would add to the level of
difficulty.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I think a lot of pilots
even in Masters now would have a problem flying the sequence if you flew the
same sequence but made them roll the opposite direction they do naturally. <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Now, even flying the SAME sequence some
pilots who might win otherwise would have a major problem winning the
contest.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Now who is the better
pilot, the pilot who flies the sequence well rolling either direction, or the
pilot that almost crashes his airplane because of rolling the other direction? <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I will admit naturally I roll better to
the right than I do the left, but if I was in the finals of masters and someone
out flies me because he can roll either way, he is the better pilot, and I
think that is the overall goal is to determine the best pilot, not who
practices the most.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I think the pilots
who make the finals in Masters are competent enough to be able to fly an
unknown sequence and fly it well.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Arch<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Grow Pattern<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 06, 2005
7:00 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: AMA MASTER'S unknown?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Archie,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>
I am particularly interested in what you say because as a person who actually
attends the Nat's, you are therefore well positioned to have and
entertain new ideas. As a person who makes it to the finals you are both experiential
and a potential who would fly this stuff. You are more than just a
theorist. How do other ex-finalist think?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The subject heading says unknowns not
impossibles....The maneuvers would not (be intended to) be more difficult.
Just stringing them together would be difficult to sort the finalists out...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Regards,<br>
<br>
Eric.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:rcpattern@comcast.net" title="rcpattern@comcast.net">Archie
Stafford</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org" title="discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday, January
06, 2005 6:47 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE: AMA MASTER'S
unknown?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think you can fly unknowns and also make
them very precise and smooth.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Look
at the FAI finals.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Other than the
roller I think the sequence flowed very well and the top pilots made it look
like they had been flying it for a long time.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Even if you used past sequences or
rearranged the current sequence.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I do not think this makes it a
“team” event with the caller.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>Most pilots have the callers they generally use and that person usually
knows when the person they are calling for likes to hear the next
maneuver.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Also if you use maneuvers
that have been previously used or maneuvers that are reasonably well known then
you shouldn’t have a judging problem.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>If this is going to be used at the NATS
finals, then the judging is usually reasonably good anyway.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I’m sure there will be varying
opinions on that, but for the most part judging in the finals is overall very
good.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The better pilots are going to make an
unknown sequence look smooth and precise no matter how many times they have
flown it.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I think unknowns
definitely help you determine who the best pilot is.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bob Pastorello<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 06, 2005
6:40 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: AMA MASTER'S unknown?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I guess since I never take a position on anything, I should
probably do so on this -- so -- here 'tis.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>1. This is a genuine yes/no POLL question of the
MASTERS pilots only....and needs to be carefully administered, IF the Board is
interested in opening this one.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>2. If the POLL has at least 2/3 majority, then the
next question should be designed to find out how crazy we (Masters) pilots
are about having our scores judged by JUDGES WHO HAVE NEVER SEEN THE
SEQUENCE and </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>3. How crazy we are about the
totally-impossible-to-fairly-administer influence of the
"team". At this level of competitions (you guys are talking
about the NATS FINALS, for G---s sake!!!) I would be hard pressed to say it
will be "fair" to have the outcome determined by who had the
best caller (or the most effective team). Not everyone can do
that... and finally ....</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>4. MASTERS is supposed to be the Top AMA class....as
such, philosophically, I think it should be the best - the VERY best - of
precision, smoothness, and gracefulness....</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>AND implementing an Unknown turns all that back into
"IMPRESSION" judging....</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I'm not in favor of it; won't be; won't try to
persuade others to be; and believe wholeheartedly that if a pilot is strongly
committed to flying Unknowns that he go play IMAC. Then fly
"Pattern" for precision, practiced, smooth and skillfully-executed
"routines".</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
Bob Pastorello<br>
NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<br>
<a href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</a><br>
<a href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:divesplat@yahoo.com" title="divesplat@yahoo.com">Ed Deaver</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org" title="discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday, January
06, 2005 3:54 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: AMA MASTER'S
unknown?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Flying an Unknown truely does make it a 2 person flight. I would
still welcome the opportunity as the challange and thrill(flying well or
goofing up and trying to collect yourself to fly the next manuever) is really
great. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I don't know if it really identifies the callers ability, as much as
the teams ability. Another thought depends on how much time is allowed to
prepare also.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>ed<br>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>rcaerobob@cox.net</span></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Before I'd answer whether I wanted one or not, I'd like to have an
understanding of what, specifically, the unknown in Masters would
"reveal". If pattern is about precision piloting that could be a
different thing than an ability to have a good caller....<br>
<br>
Just my ignorant opinion.<br>
<br>
Bob P.<br>
> <br>
> From: "Grow Pattern" <br>
<PATTERN4U@COMCAST.NET>> Date: 2005/01/06 Thu AM 11:25:48 EST<br>
> To: <FLYINTEXAN@HOUSTON.RR.COM>, <br>
> <br>
<DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG>> Subject: AMA MASTER'S unknown?<br>
> <br>
> How does this list feel about a Masters Nat's final that was different to <br>
> the regular schedule. OR, even an unknown in the final to make it more
than <br>
> just three more of the same flown in the heats.<br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> <br>
> Eric.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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