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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I do remember D novice. I remember when Dave
Brown won it at the Nats. I also remember a guy who won at a local contest
at Sepulveda Basin and scored higher than all of us in D Expert. The next
year he tried D Expert once, got beat bad and we never saw him
again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is okay to make the game tougher in the higher
classes but we need to keep it simple in the lower classes. If a new skier
had to start at the top of the mountain we wouldn't see many new
skiers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards, Jim</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=d.pappas@kodeos.com href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">Dean Pappas</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 07, 2005 10:05
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: AMA MASTER'S unknown?</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=562050218-07012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Thanks Gene,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=562050218-07012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>As I
mentioned before: we have, as a culture, a tendency to keep making each skill
level harder or more interesting until it breaks, then we fix it and start
over again. Maybe you have to have been in the event for ever to see it, but I
think you have put your finger right on what Masters ought to
be.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=562050218-07012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=562050218-07012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Anybody out there remember old D-Novice?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=562050218-07012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Dean
Pappas</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </P>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>gene.maurice@comcast.net<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 07,
2005 12:49 PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: AMA
MASTER'S unknown?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">To Whom It May
Concern:<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I am a Masters flier and I
DON'T want to fly FAI or FAI like sequences. For me personally, Masters is a
destination. If I wanted to fly finals and unknowns, then I would fly FAI. I
fly Masters and will stay in Masters because I don't want to, nor can I for
that matter, effectively fly the FAI sequences. If people want more
challenge than Masters affords, I would respectfully suggest that they
consider flying FAI. Again, for me personally, the difficulty of
the current and prior Masters sequences are all that I can handle,
and even then I'm a perennial bottom feeder. Why in the world do we
need two classes that are for all intents and purposes
equal? <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I believe there is a fair
contingent of fliers who are like me: good enough to fly their current
class without embarrassing themselves, not good enough to ever win, their
lives only allow a minimal amount of practice, but continue to do this
because IT’S SUPPOSED TO BE FUN!!!!. Why must we continually tinker with
Masters. Don’t get me wrong, I like the periodic change in the schedules. I
don’t even mind the ever increasing difficulty, even though it has made me
even LESS competitive. Again, I submit, if you are not sufficiently
challenged by Masters, FLY FAI!!! <o:p></o:p></P> </DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>Gene Maurice
<BR>gene.maurice@comcast.net <BR>Plano, TX</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bob:<BR><BR>I am not taking any sides here
either, as I don't fly Masters. However, If Masters is to be an
ending class paralleling FAI, then perhaps either a finals sequence, or a
finals and unknown are appropriate. This puts it on the same level
as FAI which is what many have told me they thought Masters should
be. This will give the same level of difficulty as FAI, but with all
the associated rules and sequences totally controlled by the USA.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Having been USA Team Manager 4 times, I
totally agree that the caller becomes an integral part of a successful
pilot, especially in the unknowns. Having a known finals sequence is
less demanding on the caller, but requires the Masters pilot to learn a
second, much more difficult sequence. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keep in mind that this would only effect the
NATS. I would push for a rule that makes flying the finals sequence
at a local contest illegal! This is the way it is in FAI as
well. Finals and unknowns are only flown at National and
International competitions. This keeps everyone who has no interest
in flying at a Nationals from having to learn anything other than the
Masters pattern. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A poll would be interesting, but I would only
allow those that have flown at the last couple of NATS to be involved,
pushing the rule that any extra sequences would only be flown at the NATS
finals. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyway, my $0.02...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com/">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rcaerobob@cox.net href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">Bob
Pastorello</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 06, 2005
5:39 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: AMA MASTER'S
unknown?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I guess since I never take a position on
anything, I should probably do so on this -- so -- here
'tis.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. This is a genuine yes/no POLL
question of the MASTERS pilots only....and needs to be carefully
administered, IF the Board is interested in opening this
one.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. If the POLL has at least 2/3
majority, then the next question should be designed to find out how
crazy we (Masters) pilots are about having our scores judged by JUDGES
WHO HAVE NEVER SEEN THE SEQUENCE and </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>3. How crazy we are about the
totally-impossible-to-fairly-administer influence of the "team".
At this level of competitions (you guys are talking about the NATS
FINALS, for G---s sake!!!) I would be hard pressed to say it will be
"fair" to have the outcome determined by who had the best caller
(or the most effective team). Not everyone can do that...
and finally ....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>4. MASTERS is supposed to be the Top
AMA class....as such, philosophically, I think it should be the best -
the VERY best - of precision, smoothness, and
gracefulness....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>AND implementing an Unknown turns all that
back into "IMPRESSION" judging....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm not in favor of it; won't be;
won't try to persuade others to be; and believe wholeheartedly that if a
pilot is strongly committed to flying Unknowns that he go play
IMAC. Then fly "Pattern" for precision, practiced, smooth and
skillfully-executed "routines".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Bob Pastorello<BR>NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<BR><A
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A><BR><A
href="http://www.rcaerobats.net/">www.rcaerobats.net</A></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=divesplat@yahoo.com href="mailto:divesplat@yahoo.com">Ed
Deaver</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 06, 2005
3:54 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: AMA MASTER'S
unknown?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Flying an Unknown truely does make it a 2 person flight. I
would still welcome the opportunity as the challange and thrill(flying
well or goofing up and trying to collect yourself to fly the next
manuever) is really great. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I don't know if it really identifies the callers ability, as much
as the teams ability. Another thought depends on how much time
is allowed to prepare also.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>ed<BR><BR><B><I>rcaerobob@cox.net</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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I'd answer whether I wanted one or not, I'd like to have an
understanding of what, specifically, the unknown in Masters would
"reveal". If pattern is about precision piloting that could be a
different thing than an ability to have a good
caller....<BR><BR>Just my ignorant opinion.<BR><BR>Bob P.<BR>>
<BR>> From: "Grow Pattern" <PATTERN4U@COMCAST.NET><BR>> Date:
2005/01/06 Thu AM 11:25:48 EST<BR>> To:
<FLYINTEXAN@HOUSTON.RR.COM>, <BR>> <DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>>
Subject: AMA MASTER'S unknown?<BR>> <BR>> How does this list
feel about a Masters Nat's final that was different to <BR>> the
regular schedule. OR, even an unknown in the final to make it more
than <BR>> just three more of the same flown in the
heats.<BR>> <BR>> Regards,<BR>> <BR>>
Eric.</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>