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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Tahoma id="role_document"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";
color:black'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>If you can weigh a
glow powered plane with out the fuel then why <span class=GramE>cant</span> you
call the area and the retention system that the battery fits the tank and
remove the “fuel”?<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>In a
glow set up the tank it is simply a plastic vessel that holds the chemicals
that provide power to rotate a prop. <span class=GramE>Same with the wrap on a
battery or the retention system.</span> Give or allow <span class=GramE>for a
certain few oz.</span> for the “Vessel” in the case of electric. Then
you have parity. We are speaking of components of a power system be it liquid
or electric. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><span class=GramE>Could
FAI be wrong on there perspective?</span><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Bill<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>MKMSG@aol.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><st1:date
Month="1" Day="9" Year="2005"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Sunday, January 09, 2005</span></font></st1:date><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><st1:time
Hour="15" Minute="14"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>3:14 PM</span></font></st1:time><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Technology and
Paticipation</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The
issue of whether a battery is primarily fuel, or primarily a fuel tank can be
debated endlessly with opinions on both sides of the fence. The biggest
difference in my mind is that the "fuel" and the "tank"
cannot be separated in a battery while they can in glow/gas powered
models. Consequently, batteries and glow fuel/tanks are the same in one
sense, but different in another....which is why the rules need to be
clarified. Any good, current 2 meter pattern design can be built and
flown with an OS 140 for example, and make weight. I don't think the same
can be said for electric. A model that starts out on the heavy side
can present a very difficult problem when it comes to shedding ounces to make
the 11 lb weigh limit. I'm glad Jerry Budd has volunteered to generate
something for pattern flyers to review and discuss relative to the rules.
Perhaps there is some medium ground that can be attained to resolve the
issue. And by the way, I was one of the </span></font><st1:City><st1:place><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Omaha</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'> bunch to watch Jerry practice before the Nats. The Partner
was impressive.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Mike
Moritko <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In a
message dated </span></font><st1:date Month="1" Day="9" Year="2005"><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>1/9/05</span></font></st1:date><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>
4:53:37 PM Central Standard Time, randy10926@comcast.net writes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Who in
their right mind would think the batttery is the fuel tank and not the
fuel? Wonder if Jason would consider sharing his experience on this
issue?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Randy<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:bnbsouthwell@bellsouth.net"
title="mailto:bnbsouthwell@bellsouth.net">bnbsouthwell@bellsouth.net</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org" title="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><st1:date
Month="1" Day="9" Year="2005"><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Sunday, January 09,
2005</span></font></st1:date><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><st1:time
Hour="17" Minute="45"><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>5:45 PM</span></font></st1:time><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> RE:
Technology and Paticipation<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>“Big thing in the current rules the
battery is not the fuel. <span class=grame>Its</span> the fuel tank! The
electrons are the fuel. So weigh with a<span class=grame> dead</span>
battery.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I believe the shrink wrap is the
“tank”<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The energy comes
from the chemicals enclosed….just like a glow or gas yet they are weighed
empty…………………..Lets start weighing
glow and gas with a tank full of the chemicals…….<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Bill</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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