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<DIV><SPAN class=190070020-09012005>Randy + Norm,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=190070020-09012005> I've seen it written as: </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=190070020-09012005><B><FONT face="Times New Roman">"4.3. Weight
and Size. </B></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman">No model may
weigh</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=190070020-09012005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=190070020-09012005><FONT face="Times New Roman">more than five
(5) kilograms (11 pounds) gross, but</FONT></DIV>
<P align=left><FONT face="Times New Roman">excluding fuel, ready for takeoff. No
model may</FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face="Times New Roman">have a wingspan or total length
longer than two (2)</FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face="Times New Roman">meters (78.74 inches).<SPAN
class=190070020-09012005>"</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN class=190070020-09012005>If you
consider a battery as the "fuel" for an electric plane... Just a
thought.</SPAN></FONT></P><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
class=190070020-09012005>
<P>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com/"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com</A><BR> </P></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><SPAN class=190070020-09012005> </SPAN>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Randy<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Sunday, January 09, 2005 2:57 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Participation<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I think electric are weighted without the pack. At least I have
seen it written on this list that way/</DIV>
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<DIV>Randy</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A href="mailto:MKMSG@aol.com" title=MKMSG@aol.com>MKMSG@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org"
title=discussion@nsrca.org>discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 09, 2005 2:32
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Participation</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 1/9/05 12:57:21 PM Central Standard Time, <A
href="mailto:Norm500@comcast.net">Norm500@comcast.net</A> writes:</DIV>
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color=#000000 face=Arial style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Just some
thoughts from an electric flyer that hasn't started in <BR>Pattern
yet. I have flown electric power in IMAC, but am <BR>interested in
Pattern because of the 2-meter size limit. My IMAC <BR>plane, a
2-meter Staudacher which weighs just over 13 lbs. RTF, <BR>and is as large
as I want to go. In larger electrics the price <BR>starts going up
exponentially, but 2-meters start looking rather <BR>small alongside of
the now typical IMAC planes.<BR><BR>BTW, my battery pack weighs just under
3 lbs. so if the rules were <BR>ever changed to allow electrics to be
weighed without the pack, <BR>I'd only be at about 10 lbs. Not too
bad for a plane that was <BR>originally built and flown with a Quadra gas
engine.<BR><BR>Anyway, the point of all this is that you might be able to
start <BR>attracting some electric powered flyers that want to compete
<BR>simply because of the 2-meter limit on size. I know it's not
<BR>something that's going to happen overnight, but changing the rule
<BR>about weighing with the battery installed would surely help. I
<BR>also know that some of the top rung people are already flying
<BR>electric pattern, but with state of the art planes that's hard for
<BR>entry level builders to achieve.<BR><BR>I've been trying to decide on
a pattern plane to build for some <BR>weeks now. I'd like it to be a
2-meter if for no other reason <BR>than my eyesight isn't very good and
the larger planes are easier <BR>to see. Thinking of building a
Typhoon 2K with Mike Hester's <BR>modifications, but the project looks
daunting to someone who's <BR>never built a wing with tubes, adjustable
wing and stabs, etc. <BR>Also have been considering the Focus II, but
figure it will be <BR>overweight with the batteries.<BR><BR>Oh well,
that's my input for today.<BR><BR>Norm<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<DIV>Norm: Because most pattern enthusiasts fly glow powered models, there
really hasn't been much discussion or concern regarding how
glow/gas/electric pattern aircraft are weighed. Competition rules
should be as fair as possible when applied across the board to all the
different types of models authorized to compete in a given category.
Rather than weigh electric pattern ships without batteries, it's my personal
view that either 1) the weight limit for pattern should be eliminated, or 2)
weigh all aircraft types -- gas, glow, or electric -- ready to
fly....with fuel or batteries as the case may be. I'm not pro or con
any particular type of power plant. I've used glow engines for nearly
55 years and currently have two electric pattern ships on the
workbench. Our AMA competition rules are guided and
influenced by international FAI rules and it will be interesting to see how
this issue is handled as more and more modelers move to forms of power other
than glow fuel.</DIV>
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<DIV>Mike Moritko
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