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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>OK but that is not what the rules say! put in a
change for AMA pattern and if passed it will take effect in 2007. I'm just
conveying the standard that has been set by the FAI Ciam committee on how they
are interpreting the rules. The power generation is definitely a different
form....The problem is the glow or gasoline chemicals get burned or used up to
release their energy....The electric chemicals don't. Rather the energy that is
stored in those chemicals gets used up. Over time yes the chemicals will change
and not release the energy the same as they once did...But the definition of a
battery is:A device for storing electric energy. A battery doesn't create energy
it merely stores it and releases it. An electric motor uses this electricity to
create power, DO WORK.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The fueled IC engines use the fuel to create the
power and DO WORK! Both have to be re-fueled at the end of a
flight.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Do you replace the chemicals in the batteries at
the end of the flight? No because its the not the chemicals that are being used
its the energy that is stored in those chemicals. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would agree a Take off weight limit would be
a possible solution. But a weight limit is a weight limit. The playing field is
equal NOW. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm not against the electric stuff at all. I have
been very exposed to it and I have flown it. I feel the same as Jason does it
about.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is it an Advantage- NO</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Does it have advantages--YES Does it have some draw
backs--YES</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Does it fly better--NO</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Does it fly worse--NO</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Does it have less power--NO</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Does it have more power--NO</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is it cheaper--NO</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is it cleaner--Yes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is it quieter--NO our meters and NATS meters read
levels that show its actually the same</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is it different YES</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is it exciting --YES</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I just think we need to not change the game to
allow the new technology to take over the show. let everything be used. By
changing the rules to allow electrics to weight without the batts is giving the
E-Power the advantage..because now the guy can stick a Sears Diehard in it.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Electric is not at any disadvantage now against
glow. Both can be easily made to make weight!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So the argument is price for kits that can do
Electric will limit us to PL and ZN kits because they are light enough and they
cost too much. Well the Impact is like $800 and it will make weight JAS did it
and Kicked my butt with it!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think if you drive the rules bigger it will make
the results bigger. They are what they are...live with them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bob has stated he is going to be flying 90 sized
ARFy in Masters. If you choose to make this model your electric then what's the
weight limit effect you. If you choose to build a PL Partner on E power that's
your choice it can make weight too. The Impact, the Lazulite, ZN line has done
the Evolis and the Enigma on E-power and they make the rules. The Brio from
Piedmont should be in the same class we'll see how things go as the kits become
available. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think the rules are fine...let make the stuff we
want to run work inside those rules....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Its like telling my Denver Broncos sorry you
couldn't beat Peyton ...Its OK you should get 25pt handicap. Its like telling
the kid that needs his butt kicked in order that he pay attention in school that
he has A-D-D and its OK we'll change the rules for you. Its like telling the kid
that can't read its not your fault we'll give you a job and McDonalds where the
combo meals have a number or a picture and you just hit the key that looks like
what you want.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Long live the rules they govern the game an keep
the playing field equal. We should not change them to favor a specific
technology. Today there is no disadvantage Electric has in the rules department.
There is no advantage glow power has in the rules department. The only advantage
I see glow having is that its more readily available in the variety of combos
that are proven to work. The choices are more varied. And the prices are less
per flight for the moment.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>All these things are changing. And will be changed
by the time your new rule takes effect.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Troy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=bnbsouthwell@bellsouth.net
href="mailto:bnbsouthwell@bellsouth.net">bnbsouthwell@bellsouth.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 09, 2005 3:45
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Technology and
Paticipation</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">“Big thing in the
current rules the battery is not the fuel. <SPAN class=GramE>Its</SPAN> the
fuel tank! The electrons are the fuel. So weigh with a<SPAN class=GramE>
dead</SPAN> battery.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I believe the shrink wrap is the
“tank”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The energy comes from the
chemicals enclosed….just like a glow or gas yet they are weighed
empty…………………..Lets start weighing glow and gas with a tank full of the
chemicals…….<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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