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<DIV> Seems like all this is a moot point sense they are making weight as is ( Jason, Jerry with Fracks plane, and all that flew at the Euro Championships and the newer batteries will get better.</DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=bnbsouthwell@bellsouth.net href="mailto:bnbsouthwell@bellsouth.net"></A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A title=discussion@nsrca.org href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 1/9/2005 6:24:48 PM </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Technology and Paticipation</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT id=role_document face=Tahoma color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If you can weigh a glow powered plane with out the fuel then why <SPAN class=GramE>cant</SPAN> you call the area and the retention system that the battery fits the tank and remove the “fuel”?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In a glow set up the tank it is simply a plastic vessel that holds the chemicals that provide power to rotate a prop. <SPAN class=GramE>Same with the wrap on a battery or the retention system.</SPAN> Give or allow <SPAN class=GramE>for a certain few oz.</SPAN> for the “Vessel” in the case of electric. Then you have parity. We are speaking of components of a power system be it liquid or electric. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN class=GramE>Could FAI be wrong on there perspective?</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>MKMSG@aol.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><st1:date Year="2005" Day="9" Month="1"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Sunday, January 09, 2005</SPAN></FONT></st1:date><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT><st1:time Minute="14" Hour="15"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">3:14 PM</SPAN></FONT></st1:time><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Technology and Paticipation</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The issue of whether a battery is primarily fuel, or primarily a fuel tank can be debated endlessly with opinions on both sides of the fence. The biggest difference in my mind is that the "fuel" and the "tank" cannot be separated in a battery while they can in glow/gas powered models. Consequently, batteries and glow fuel/tanks are the same in one sense, but different in another....which is why the rules need to be clarified. Any good, current 2 meter pattern design can be built and flown with an OS 140 for example, and make weight. I don't think the same can be said for electric. A model that starts out on the heavy side can present a very difficult problem when it comes to shedding ounces to make the 11 lb weigh limit. I'm glad Jerry Budd has volunteered to generate something for pattern flyers to review and discuss relative to the rules. Perhaps there is some medium ground that can be attained to resolve the issue. And by the way, I was one of the </SPAN></FONT><st1:City><st1:place><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Omaha</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:City><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> bunch to watch Jerry practice before the Nats. The Partner was impressive.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Who in their right mind would think the batttery is the fuel tank and not the fuel? Wonder if Jason would consider sharing his experience on this issue?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><st1:date Year="2005" Day="9" Month="1"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sunday, January 09, 2005</SPAN></FONT></st1:date><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><st1:time Minute="45" Hour="17"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">5:45 PM</SPAN></FONT></st1:time><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">“Big thing in the current rules the battery is not the fuel. <SPAN class=grame>Its</SPAN> the fuel tank! The electrons are the fuel. So weigh with a<SPAN class=grame> dead</SPAN> battery.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I believe the shrink wrap is the “tank”<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The energy comes from the chemicals enclosed….just like a glow or gas yet they are weighed empty…………………..Lets start weighing glow and gas with a tank full of the chemicals…….<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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