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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bob,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I understand 100%. My buddy The GIRL that won
Sportsman D7 Champs with a Tiger 60 now has an Excelleron with a YS 110 on it.
Its a awesome combo. I helped a little in getting it built and its a very good
kit and good flying model. As you have pointed out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The reality is its the size model many people need
to be flying today. Power issues are not a problem put a bigger motor in it. Now
a St 2300 of OS 140RX I think is way overkill. But a Piped OS 91FX would be very
good. The YS 110 is a perfect combo and makes big big power for the plane. Even
a Saito 150 would work too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Another really good model is the QQ Yak 72'
version.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A YS 140 Sport its 10.75'lbs a ST 2300 or OS 140RX
and it would outstanding and make weight. People see it as a 3D machine...but I
think its a better pattern model than a l9ot of planes guys are flying now as
"Pattern" planes. I also think it a very good value at the $400 for the quality
and the way it goes together. I'm going to be flying one this year as a good
model and fun plane to fly. It flies very precise.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kudos to QQ on this one.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>TN</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rcaerobob@cox.net href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">Bob Pastorello</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 09, 2005 4:58
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Technology and
Paticipation</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Troy wrote: "Bob has stated he is going to be
flying 90 sized ARFy in Masters."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bob replies: Only until there is clear evidence
of anti-90 sized airplanes scores from Judges. I've flown it enough to
know good and well that it is capable, and I'm capable of flying it.
Should be fun!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Go Broncos! <G>, er - ah -
Who?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Bob Pastorello<BR>NSRCA 199 AMA 46373<BR><A
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A><BR><A
href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=troy_newman@msn.com href="mailto:troy_newman@msn.com">Troy A.
Newman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 12, 2005 5:38
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Technology and
Paticipation</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>OK but that is not what the rules say! put in a
change for AMA pattern and if passed it will take effect in 2007. I'm just
conveying the standard that has been set by the FAI Ciam committee on how
they are interpreting the rules. The power generation is definitely a
different form....The problem is the glow or gasoline chemicals get burned
or used up to release their energy....The electric chemicals don't. Rather
the energy that is stored in those chemicals gets used up. Over time yes the
chemicals will change and not release the energy the same as they once
did...But the definition of a battery is:A device for storing electric
energy. A battery doesn't create energy it merely stores it and releases it.
An electric motor uses this electricity to create power, DO
WORK.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The fueled IC engines use the fuel to create
the power and DO WORK! Both have to be re-fueled at the end of a
flight.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Do you replace the chemicals in the batteries
at the end of the flight? No because its the not the chemicals that are
being used its the energy that is stored in those chemicals. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would agree a Take off weight limit
would be a possible solution. But a weight limit is a weight limit. The
playing field is equal NOW. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm not against the electric stuff at all. I
have been very exposed to it and I have flown it. I feel the same as Jason
does it about.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is it an Advantage- NO</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Does it have advantages--YES Does it have some
draw backs--YES</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Does it fly better--NO</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Does it fly worse--NO</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Does it have less power--NO</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Does it have more power--NO</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is it cheaper--NO</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is it cleaner--Yes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is it quieter--NO our meters and NATS meters
read levels that show its actually the same</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is it different YES</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is it exciting --YES</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I just think we need to not change the game to
allow the new technology to take over the show. let everything be used. By
changing the rules to allow electrics to weight without the batts is giving
the E-Power the advantage..because now the guy can stick a Sears Diehard in
it. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Electric is not at any disadvantage now against
glow. Both can be easily made to make weight!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So the argument is price for kits that can do
Electric will limit us to PL and ZN kits because they are light enough and
they cost too much. Well the Impact is like $800 and it will make weight JAS
did it and Kicked my butt with it!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think if you drive the rules bigger it will
make the results bigger. They are what they are...live with
them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bob has stated he is going to be flying 90
sized ARFy in Masters. If you choose to make this model your electric then
what's the weight limit effect you. If you choose to build a PL Partner on E
power that's your choice it can make weight too. The Impact, the Lazulite,
ZN line has done the Evolis and the Enigma on E-power and they make the
rules. The Brio from Piedmont should be in the same class we'll see how
things go as the kits become available.
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